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made it to suggestions uh one of a place

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was called parachie which is a series of

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islands off it goes to rio

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and uh and we're like wow that sounds

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beautiful yeah he's like it's not too

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far

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he goes you know what i'll go with you

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i'll take you guys there so rebecca and

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i jumped in his car and we all spent

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time together a week yeah and then and

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then we

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we became partners i mean you know

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investigating the virginia case he'd

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been investigated since 2006 already

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because as a resilient he remembers the

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case when he was a kid

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and so he was incredibly passionate

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about it so were you uh marco were you

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out like an i mean like a move on type

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of investigator whatever brazil has yes

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like look like a researcher do you know

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because when i saw the

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on the new the virginia keys in 1996 i

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just had 11 years old at the time so i

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got shocked you know by the story

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and i felt in my heart that i would love

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to go investigate this case so when i

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got to james in 2011

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and i had the opportunity to start a

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work with him and

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some projects you know for the virginia

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business school

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we did

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all the research

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for the last 10 years and i'm always uh

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i was talking to james about it the the

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cases and he was telling me something

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how to do it and so well we we went

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together in 2012

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with that cheesy tv show oh yeah

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thirteen thirteen yeah yeah and and

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found more witnesses and then he just

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kept plowing he just kept going thank

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god and then none of it made it into the

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phenomenon which was then called 701. i

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just couldn't seem to squeeze it in it

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just you know it just went happening and

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i knew that he was probably going to be

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pretty upset when he found out that none

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of the virginia material ended up the

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phenomenon oh yeah right yeah then i

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then i said you know what we need to do

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a documentary just on this case

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which was kind of our dream to do it

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together you know yeah and so i went

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back uh from how long were you there

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well i was there for a month uh

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in 20 last year last year was like from

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them yeah

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yeah and then before that

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we were like i said yeah before that it

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was 2013 13 2012.

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together we want to go hunting for

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witnesses i mean we were we're knocking

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on doors yeah we're going to the town

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square and just asking about strangers

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no joke

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yeah and we always say magic happens

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when we work together right well i think

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that for me for the film

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um when you were standing out in the

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square with the sign yes and all those

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people are coming up to you and telling

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you about you know what they saw

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whatever it was great uh i'm right now

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i'm in iceland

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space this is our new studio this is

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where we're going to turn out a

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documentary every 18 months that's my

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goal wow wow and uh marco blaspheme is

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and i forgot to announce our uh we out

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we had our wonderful blogger charles

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lear do the blog this week on argina and

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it's called the name of it his ufos and

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creatures reported in virginia brazil

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i i hope you get a chance to read

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through that and just post it and he did

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a really good job with that uh vlog

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and back here let's see here we go all

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i'm sorry i'm trying to run

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cameras and everything and i wish i had

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closed out a few windows here we go

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we're back

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to you over here so uh behind you yes is

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like a storyboard yes

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yeah and we entered

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your cameras yeah you can't maybe

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but there's a

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glass windows and then the actual edit

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room is inside okay so let's point to

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the edit

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yeah that's that's where the magic

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happens yeah but from that edit room we

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can look back and see we mapped out the

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entire film before we started editing

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and it's not

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exactly as it went down but it's close

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yeah believe it or not yeah yeah we did

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the whole film

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like meeting with the mayor um oh yeah

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that was just witness this other witness

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the girls the three girls that saw the

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creature we did them all in segments

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yeah and then mark marco and i went to a

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cafe or from here and put it together on

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to escalate and escalate so we didn't

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necessarily do it in chronological order

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in the way we filmed it but um

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but it was a very good technique and i

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was i'm really proud when i stitch it

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together finally how how well it

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actually worked we only shuffled a

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couple things around but that's

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that's how we did it trimmed it down and

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trimmed it down and um

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i think it was like two weeks ago we

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were sitting here watching with with

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actually my other partner boris his wife

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you know i edited the movie and i'm

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sitting there

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seat and she says something points out

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something and i said shh

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because i was so

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like the second half for me i was just

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on the edge of my team thinking myself

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wait a minute this has got to be a good

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sign well i'm like really getting on my

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yeah yeah i mean i think we're sitting

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on dynamite on this one i really do i

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really do and you know uh one of the

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you think about is the the creatures i

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want to talk about all that but i don't

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both of you want to talk about in a

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nutshell because a lot of people are not

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familiar with this taste i heard little

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bits and pieces of it over the years but

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i never really looked into it and then i

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was lucky enough to see your screener

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and like oh my goodness

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i don't think anyone out there is ever

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going to watch that and say nothing

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happens yeah i mean the way everything

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fits together but which one or both of

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you both of you or

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back and forth who wants to lay it out

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for the listening audience you can

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tell them as as a brazilian and a

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researcher tell just give a

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1996 january 13 of 1996 we had a report

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from a witness that he saw

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look like a ship uh

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the ship has had a problem and

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some smoke came out from the big star

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this ship was uh

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falling down yeah it looked like it was

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going to crash and it was in distress

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yeah and then he he saw and but he never

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thought that it was a ufo you know he

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thought that it was a

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conventional airplane smaller plane so

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he went

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to check it out

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to help

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because he thought there was some people

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inside so when he arrived

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he saw all the crash like all those

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pieces of the

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look like aluminium

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four to five minutes later the army

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trucks came from the other side of this

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field we call it's a farm actually we

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call fazendo mayolini newling farm

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he reported that the

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the militarist came

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to him and uh

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they were like

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some militaries got off the trucks and

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they were picked up some pieces and one

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military spec especially came to him and

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point his gun and say hell get out of

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here you know

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go away go away you know did they have

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to drop the pieces i mean did they yeah

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anyone get away with anything yeah uh no

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and he he headed uh one piece in his

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hand that's what he thought it was

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incredibly light

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and and when he crumpled it up it

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took shape again just like yeah the

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alleged roswell yeah and this guy gave

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rodriguez

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very prominent norfolk brazilian

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researchers and then he went just

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gone for the better part of 26 years

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marco about this in 2013 and said we've

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got to find this guy like we've got to

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find the crash the ufo crash witness

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that's everything that links

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potentially the creatures

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that you know clearly were seen in town

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in broad daylight to the ufo right

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and so marco

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tracked him down with a year or two ago

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yeah like 2018. me and my partners i

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have two partners which was investigated

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with me in brazil uh john marcel and

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jordan was rich so we were looking for

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the other weakness from this case so we

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had a very hard time to find them so we

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uh our other friend paul pilot he he

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reached him out so we found and we just

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went to talk to him and he told us

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um like the same story kind of the same

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story that he he used to

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tell in 1996 you know

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and uh and then the the thing is uh

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which we call

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they probably saw like in the same day

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as carlos

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um this the same form of the same shape

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of this object they described the same

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thing two weeks

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there was about theirs was about two

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o'clock in the morning yeah one o'clock

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one o'clock in the morning and he saw it

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crash around five something a.m we don't

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know definitively that it was the same

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crap but we're everyone's quite

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confident that it was the same craft

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they described the exact same thing the

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yeah and um makes you wonder like let's

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just say this thing came from wherever

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wherever it came from of what makes

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something like this happen where it

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crashes you know i mean this is

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speculative but how how could something

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like wherever it came from get here and

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then have a gash in the side i mean

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don't you that i mean that's really

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bizarre yeah unless it was shot at in

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some space

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it definitely had a gas in the side all

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the witnesses said that had a huge gap

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in the side white smoke billowing out

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the back amazing and it was in distress

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the way it was blind it was in distress

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it was not going to last long

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wow yeah

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really something and so all right so

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then

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uh time go was this like a day or two

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when people saw this the creatures

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afterwards or what happened a week

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so

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in the town of virginia was about 15 17

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miles away yeah 17 to 18 miles away

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nobody knows exactly how the creatures

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got whether they they

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exited from

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a skate pod or

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there's a river that connects the two

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sites from the crash site to the the

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site where the creatures were seen seven

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days later and captured um that's all

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speculation people don't just don't know

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like how they got there a week later

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um

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but anyway yeah so yeah and then the

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january 20

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the 20th uh so um

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some

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locals from the neighborhood which he

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calls

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georgie they saw uh right in the morning

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like around 10 o'clock some locals

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reported uh they saw some strange

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creature in some

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[Music]

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some like brush

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and uh they called the

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the service like the fireman's the

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police officers

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and the firemen the fire

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brigade regret uh they're connected to

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the military because it's different in

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brazil the firemen are actually part of

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the military

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so if you're in the fire department

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you're connected to the military because

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it's different in brazil

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yeah so um one thing that really really

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fascinated me and i'm trying to find a

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depiction online i can't really find

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something right now but the description

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of what they were seeing the creatures

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and and first of all um so let's talk

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about when the young girls three uh with

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i think there are three young girls

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maybe one was a little older yeah but um

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they were walking in some like uh not an

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abandoned area but what yeah it was

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actually was uh very near from the first

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capture so the first capture in january

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20

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uh

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firemen

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so they found this creature

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and they did the first character and

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then when they met yeah with that and

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then they gave

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they gave the creature for the army uh

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right in the morning of january 20 so

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and then the same day

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in through 3 30 uh in the afternoon

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uh the

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the three girls was walking in through

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this field take a little shortcut home

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yeah yeah yeah

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and then they

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lily was a little further

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and she saw uh

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this really strange creature and the her

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sisters of valkyria and karcher javier

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which was another friend of them

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the two sisters and a friend yeah katya

362
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was 21. liliana was 16 and bulgaria was

363
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14 years old it was broad daylight yeah

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and then they saw this christian and

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they never thought that it was a name

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because they

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they actually they didn't know what was

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a name they just described it like a

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devil you know

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yeah you hear you hear a lot of people

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say basically the same thing they they

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have no idea a person you think of is

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you know evil satanic or or whatever and

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this this sort of did but i i think it's

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amazing

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about the odor and that these that the

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odor is stuck with these people they're

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all saying the same thing they can't get

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it out of their nostrils yeah one woman

380
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is rinsing with alcohol and her nostrils

381
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trying to get this smell out i gotta say

382
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one thing quickly that i neglected to

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say earlier on and that is that i didn't

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believe this case

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when i first heard about it

386
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i was making out of the blue

387
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yep with a guy uh boris and

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tim coleman

389
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and um tim had told me about it i think

390
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in the late 90s

391
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and uh and i just completely dismissed

392
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it and it's funny because i was making a

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documentary on ufos

394
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when i heard about this case and i just

395
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thought this is no way that that

396
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happened and i completely dismissed it

397
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and i actually laughed with my buddy tim

398
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and i'll get back to the relevance of

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this in a minute and then fast forward

400
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probably 10 years

401
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i was going to brazil maybe a little

402
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more than 10 years i was going to brazil

403
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to do this conference

404
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and um and i talked to a guy who's high

405
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up on the food chain the entertainment

406
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industry very respected guy in fact i'll

407
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just give his name his name is jeff

408
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sieganski and jeff called me he's like

409
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oh you're going to brazil you've got to

410
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look into the virginia case

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and i was like you mean with the live

412
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aliens walking around the tunnels all

413
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sure jeff i'll look into it for you

414
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click and i had zero intention of

415
00:16:27,430 --> 00:16:24,880
looking at this i'm not gonna waste my

416
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time on that fantasy right there's no

417
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way that that happened i mean it was so

418
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i can't believe how quickly i dismissed

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it and this is after my my third film on

420
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ufos i've done i know what i saw at that

421
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point right

422
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but to me

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to have

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allegedly

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a ufo crash and live

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aliens

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walking around this town it was like you

428
00:16:52,710 --> 00:16:51,519
got to be kidding me you know what i

429
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mean

430
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and now here i am all these years later

431
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and i'm you know time is the most

432
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precious thing we have in life yeah i

433
00:17:01,430 --> 00:16:59,920
would never waste

434
00:17:02,550 --> 00:17:01,440
years investigating something if i

435
00:17:04,789 --> 00:17:02,560
didn't think there was something to it

436
00:17:05,990 --> 00:17:04,799
yeah and now i'm absolutely convinced

437
00:17:08,549 --> 00:17:06,000
and not only mike

438
00:17:13,829 --> 00:17:08,559
i had a friend of mine

439
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he is a very dear friend highly

440
00:17:21,909 --> 00:17:18,400
skeptical of the whole

441
00:17:23,669 --> 00:17:21,919
subject matter a lot less so recently

442
00:17:25,990 --> 00:17:23,679
he watched it

443
00:17:27,110 --> 00:17:26,000
last week yeah and he called me up and

444
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he said

445
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holy bleep

446
00:17:32,870 --> 00:17:30,799
yeah i think this is the best film

447
00:17:35,190 --> 00:17:32,880
you've ever done because i actually

448
00:17:37,110 --> 00:17:35,200
believe this case now yeah

449
00:17:38,710 --> 00:17:37,120
and this is coming from so i knew i was

450
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like i just wanted to

451
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i just wanted your audience to know i

452
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get if anyone out there is thinking

453
00:17:45,669 --> 00:17:43,679
there's no way this happened and i just

454
00:17:48,789 --> 00:17:45,679
can't believe this is too outlandish

455
00:17:50,789 --> 00:17:48,799
james has lost his mind you know i get

456
00:17:52,630 --> 00:17:50,799
that yeah and i understand exactly how

457
00:17:54,630 --> 00:17:52,640
you how you would think that what they

458
00:17:56,789 --> 00:17:54,640
just say and i actually had a tv crew

459
00:17:59,190 --> 00:17:56,799
here interviewing me months ago i just

460
00:18:01,110 --> 00:17:59,200
gotten back from brazil

461
00:18:02,710 --> 00:18:01,120
quite mainstream tv crew filming me in

462
00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:02,720
the other room over here and they said i

463
00:18:05,990 --> 00:18:03,760
always want to talk to you about you

464
00:18:07,830 --> 00:18:06,000
took brazil on camera and i said yeah i

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know i don't think so whatever you don't

466
00:18:12,150 --> 00:18:10,160
think so i think it's your audience

467
00:18:13,990 --> 00:18:12,160
going to think i'm nuts

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and so i said you need to see the film

469
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you need to see the evidence and then

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you can

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you know draw your inclusion if i just

472
00:18:23,190 --> 00:18:20,559
talk about it now you're going to say

473
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all right this guy's a wacko and uh yeah

474
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yeah so i just had to let your audience

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know

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that this is not something that i would

477
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just blindly believe happened without

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extensive

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you know research and and multiple trips

480
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there and talking to the witnesses and

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mark and i

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you know

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um

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even times when you

485
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were questioning what a genre did in 180

486
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years yeah

487
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because those guys was the uh the

488
00:19:05,350 --> 00:18:54,880
leading investigators yes exactly so and

489
00:19:08,870 --> 00:19:07,510
and all the media was looking to this

490
00:19:11,909 --> 00:19:08,880
case because

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you know the girls very yes you know

492
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very authentic yeah oh yeah and and

493
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speaking of that let me just ask you

494
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this

495
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james when you're a few of these people

496
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wanted to be anonymous and did not want

497
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to be on camera yet you did the behind

498
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shot facing forward i'm trying not to

499
00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:27,840
get too much away yeah

500
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but when you were facing them

501
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in the eye and talking to them yes do

502
00:19:35,430 --> 00:19:34,640
you just feel like 100

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oh

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00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:36,840
yeah no doubt

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absolutely 100 120

506
00:19:44,230 --> 00:19:43,200
yeah oh my god yes and what he went

507
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through

508
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what we when we were in brazil on this

509
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on military i'll refer to him as

510
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military x he's the most significant

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00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:52,400
eyewitness yeah

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in the history of the case by a long

513
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shot his testimony will

514
00:20:01,270 --> 00:19:58,240
just blow your mind

515
00:20:02,870 --> 00:20:01,280
and it does he yeah he

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00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:02,880
he was like all the money in the world

517
00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:04,559
will not get me to come forward because

518
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:06,480
he had met him like 10 months earlier or

519
00:20:11,110 --> 00:20:08,480
11 months earlier

520
00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:11,120
slowly just developing a relationship

521
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the the the military weakness was

522
00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:16,400
suspecting that uh that he was like part

523
00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:18,000
of intelligence coming up you know so

524
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:20,080
just to get a meeting with this guy took

525
00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:23,600
marco a lot and then when when i came

526
00:20:29,029 --> 00:20:27,440
into virginia area marco was like hey

527
00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:29,039
you know wanted to meet this fella we're

528
00:20:33,510 --> 00:20:30,960
doing the movie together but what and he

529
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:33,520
was like okay well i'll you know

530
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:34,799
spare you the details on how it

531
00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:36,720
eventually came down i'll eat

532
00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:38,880
a coffee or a drink and we drove hours

533
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:40,640
into the night and met with him

534
00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:42,240
and looked him in the eyes and you know

535
00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:44,400
talked to him for for several hours yeah

536
00:20:50,149 --> 00:20:47,760
and then um then he was like maybe maybe

537
00:20:52,390 --> 00:20:50,159
i will maybe i won't he was walking back

538
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and forth and it was like

539
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i think it might have been a sunday it

540
00:20:57,669 --> 00:20:55,919
was a couple days later maybe i'll do it

541
00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:57,679
wednesday or i don't know and i was of

542
00:21:01,110 --> 00:20:58,799
course thinking about this guy's

543
00:21:02,310 --> 00:21:01,120
teetering yeah you know and it was like

544
00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:02,320
i think it was like a sunday and i

545
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:03,919
finally said hey man let's do it right

546
00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:06,000
now yeah right now because i was

547
00:21:08,549 --> 00:21:07,280
thinking by the time wednesday comes

548
00:21:10,149 --> 00:21:08,559
around he's going to change his mind he

549
00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:10,159
might get a phone call he's going to

550
00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:11,600
sleep on it he's going to change his

551
00:21:14,830 --> 00:21:13,440
mind i mean this guy was like

552
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right

553
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:18,480
yeah super paranoid yeah oh my god super

554
00:21:22,390 --> 00:21:20,799
paranoid and then it was like it was

555
00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:22,400
just it was

556
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:24,880
right was the most tenuous situation of

557
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:26,880
any interview i've ever done

558
00:21:29,830 --> 00:21:28,320
in terms of like it could have fallen

559
00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:29,840
apart at any moment we were driving

560
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:32,480
hours to get to his location we had no

561
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:34,320
secure place to film he was terrified of

562
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:36,240
being seen with us with cameras like

563
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:38,400
that was going to destroy him he was so

564
00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:40,320
terrified now let me ask you this did

565
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:41,600
anyone

566
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:43,440
say something to you

567
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:46,080
like off the record or off air not being

568
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:48,400
recorded and they say i don't want to

569
00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:49,600
say that

570
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:51,919
oh yeah yeah i mean yeah marco and i had

571
00:21:56,789 --> 00:21:53,360
confirmation

572
00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:56,799
nobody i mean i don't know anybody else

573
00:22:02,470 --> 00:21:59,840
has had we we interviewed jose carlos

574
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:02,480
guerrero who was a general a brigadier

575
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:03,919
of the year brigade

576
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:07,919
air force it was like 2013 yeah 2013.

577
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:09,039
and he didn't want to talk about

578
00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:10,240
virginia didn't want to talk about

579
00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:12,320
virginia and then after the end of the

580
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:14,240
interview we talked about some pretty

581
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:16,720
neat stuff and he's kind of like

582
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:18,799
speculated

583
00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:19,919
or

584
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:21,280
gave a

585
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:23,679
possible scenario of what would happen

586
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:25,600
if something like that did happen and

587
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:27,520
they would kind of talk about that way

588
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:29,679
but after the cameras were off

589
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:31,440
and i looked in the eye

590
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:33,520
and i said i swear on my life there are

591
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:35,520
no recording devices none of this and

592
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:38,720
please we were both pleased just pleased

593
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:39,600
you know

594
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:41,280
did virginia happen

595
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:43,520
and i wouldn't reveal this he's dead now

596
00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:45,440
but we have the meeting on camera we

597
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:46,880
don't have that part of the camera we

598
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:49,280
said please did it happen and he said

599
00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:50,880
it happened

600
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:52,960
and so mark and i were like

601
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:55,919
oh my gosh it was amazing it was so

602
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:58,080
unbelievable man

603
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:00,400
that kind of kept us both or

604
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:03,200
you know yeah that those kind of

605
00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:05,280
um confirmations

606
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:07,280
that are completely off the record no

607
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:09,120
recording devices whatsoever yeah that

608
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:10,880
kind of keeps you going

609
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:11,919
yeah

610
00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:14,799
you are asking i was begging you

611
00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:16,400
i was on my hands when you're

612
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:18,320
actually looking at the boots i said oh

613
00:23:21,909 --> 00:23:19,919
here's

614
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:21,919
like this time you know when you're

615
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:24,080
learning to come here to go for this

616
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:27,840
case and he decided to telling you about

617
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:29,919
it and you yeah yeah

618
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:33,280
so marco how did you find these people

619
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:35,039
are it's probably not something you go

620
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:37,120
on the internet to search someone yeah

621
00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:39,120
no so how do you is it like through

622
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:41,200
networking like do you know this person

623
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:42,960
that may know this person that may know

624
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:46,080
this yes i think like like a

625
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:48,720
field researcher researcher you know

626
00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:49,520
like

627
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:52,640
i went to virginia many times many times

628
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:55,360
in the world i was talking to people and

629
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:57,760
they were connecting us but i have these

630
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:00,799
two very partners friends john and

631
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:03,039
jordan so we were

632
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:04,400
looking into

633
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:06,240
the whole uh

634
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:13,029
and we had all the names of the weakness

635
00:24:15,669 --> 00:24:14,400
and we knew

636
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:15,679
uh

637
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:18,960
like all the weakness so we we just

638
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:21,039
reached out from the

639
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:23,840
from this uh witness

640
00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:26,400
and but it was very hard you know very

641
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:28,720
hard to get all together

642
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:29,760
and

643
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:36,960
yeah that guy was like

644
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:38,799
for years he had a relationship with

645
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:40,000
this guy he wouldn't do it he wouldn't

646
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:41,120
do it he wouldn't do it he wouldn't do

647
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:43,120
it yeah and then finally

648
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:47,279
he gets uh dr x is retired and he says

649
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:49,919
i'll do it but you can't fill my face

650
00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:52,000
you have to disguise my voice and she

651
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:53,679
gave us a photograph these are all

652
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:54,799
legitimate

653
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:55,919
bona fide

654
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:58,240
um witnesses like none of these these

655
00:25:02,390 --> 00:24:59,520
witnesses are

656
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:02,400
are um what's the word i'm looking for

657
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:03,679
that have been

658
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,720
um

659
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:06,720
verified these are not yeah you know

660
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:10,480
what i mean like these are legitimate um

661
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:12,799
witnesses and and

662
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:16,080
that guy's story talking about taking an

663
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:18,880
x-ray what was probably the alien like

664
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:21,440
yes and the smell and like yeah like

665
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:23,279
that's the doctor that worked on the

666
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:25,360
military guy who died

667
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:28,000
marco trumisi yeah

668
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:30,240
the guy like and he was on camera

669
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:31,760
talking about like

670
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:33,360
you know

671
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:34,720
the guy he worked on he's like i've

672
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:37,200
never seen in prior 45 years been a

673
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:39,600
doctor never prior to the incident and

674
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:42,000
never acted in he's ever seen anything

675
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:43,600
like in his life he said they were

676
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:45,120
throwing every bit of antibiotics in the

677
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:47,200
sky and his immune system was shutting

678
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:49,440
off he was 23 years old super duper

679
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:51,120
healthy yes

680
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:53,440
he died from him he carried the beast he

681
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:55,279
carried the bean he grabbed it with his

682
00:25:59,350 --> 00:25:57,600
own hands and he put it on his lap in

683
00:26:01,750 --> 00:25:59,360
the back seat and took it to the local

684
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:01,760
hospital with a guy named eric lopes

685
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:02,799
driving

686
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:03,840
yeah

687
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:06,000
and and then he just became sick right

688
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:08,960
away uh what within a week yeah he had

689
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:13,120
this oily yeah it was like he um

690
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:15,360
february then he

691
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:17,200
he went to the

692
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:19,760
yeah to the hospital so he captured it

693
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:22,480
on january 20th yeah in the evening yeah

694
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:25,360
during a major rainstorm oh yeah yeah

695
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:28,159
and then on february 15 he admitted to

696
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:29,679
the hospital

697
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:31,600
night okay yeah so

698
00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:32,400
yeah

699
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:33,520
three weeks

700
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:35,919
yeah yeah very very quickly

701
00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:38,720
and was did anyone else have any health

702
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:39,760
issues

703
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:41,600
i know that people you know we're

704
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:43,679
talking about and i really love it when

705
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:45,840
you like you talk to this woman i forget

706
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,159
where she was or whatever and described

707
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:50,880
it and everyone kind of says the same

708
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:52,720
thing sort of like between ammonia and

709
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:54,880
sulfur yeah or maybe a mixture of the

710
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:58,400
two and oily skin and the worst smell

711
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:00,640
and it would linger for days days and

712
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:03,039
days and days yeah and they didn't they

713
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:05,039
say they had to close something because

714
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:07,279
they just like a hospital or a party

715
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:09,200
yeah they couldn't they didn't shut off

716
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:11,279
the wing of the hospital for a long time

717
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:13,600
because the smell was so

718
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:15,679
so bad it was unusable they just did all

719
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:18,960
this disinfecting and that didn't do it

720
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:22,399
um things must be venusians

721
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:25,279
well you know i i have to mention dr

722
00:27:30,269 --> 00:27:27,279
roger leader

723
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:30,279
because in

724
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:33,360
2014 i'm going to say

725
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:35,279
uh we were doing

726
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:37,840
uh which was then kind of 701

727
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:39,200
uh

728
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,200
and in los angeles we're doing a series

729
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:43,440
of shoots and i had just gone

730
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:46,000
with the help of randall nickerson

731
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:47,200
um

732
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:49,679
look you got got the witness from rua

733
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:53,440
the 1994 uh laning case in contact case

734
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:56,559
in in in zimbabwe rui zimbabwe aerial

735
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:57,440
school

736
00:28:02,070 --> 00:28:00,080
and um

737
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:02,080
dr lear and they were all coming in for

738
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:04,640
interviews and and i was uh you know i

739
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,880
did have virginia on the back burner dr

740
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:08,720
lear found out i was doing something on

741
00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:11,600
on virginia my focus at the time was rua

742
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:13,520
but i still was you know investigating

743
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:15,679
that one as well and he was just adamant

744
00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:17,919
to get on camera unfortunately he didn't

745
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:19,360
tell me i have cancer and i'm dying

746
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:20,640
otherwise i would have made it more of a

747
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:23,600
priority but he did get me these tapes

748
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:26,159
and i'm kicking myself now that i didn't

749
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:28,720
get a chance to ask him about specifics

750
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:32,240
because he traveled to virginia in 2002

751
00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:33,760
and he did a bunch of great interviews

752
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:36,159
yeah so this is before

753
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:39,520
the two leading brazilian researchers

754
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:41,120
packaging

755
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:43,520
rodriguez who's also a lawyer in the

756
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:45,360
town of virginia

757
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:47,760
did a 180 he did a 180 either that i

758
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:49,440
just completely won't talk to anybody

759
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:52,240
ever again and that was in about 2005.

760
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:53,840
something like that rightfully

761
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:56,080
came out and so anyway i got these i got

762
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:58,480
these tapes and then i made copies of

763
00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:00,480
them i sent it back to dr rodrigo and he

764
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:02,080
died

765
00:29:04,389 --> 00:29:03,120
so

766
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:04,399
i didn't even have a chance to even go

767
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:06,399
through the tapes at the time i was so

768
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:08,080
busy with other things of course but

769
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:09,440
like i don't know

770
00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:11,520
a couple months ago

771
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:14,080
i'm like marco i've got these tapes

772
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:16,480
of roger lear's trip in 2002 and it was

773
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:19,919
a treasure trove of gold because we had

774
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:21,440
the participation he had the

775
00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:23,520
participation of the leading brazilian

776
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:25,520
researchers on camera talking about the

777
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:28,159
case showing this in great detail going

778
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:30,720
to the fire department going to the back

779
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:32,559
side of the humanitarian hospital where

780
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:34,640
the creatures were taken like

781
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:37,120
all these amazing details yeah and uh

782
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:39,120
interviewing his wife me interviewing

783
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:40,320
democracy

784
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:42,159
marco truisi the military police officer

785
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:44,000
was deceased after allegedly capturing

786
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:46,880
the creature an interview with her like

787
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:48,960
um and then i also got his book and i

788
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:49,919
was reading his book and there were

789
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:52,080
details that i wish i could have i

790
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:53,200
really wish i could have gotten the

791
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:55,120
opportunity to interview

792
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:55,919
um

793
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:57,520
dr leo because there were details in his

794
00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:00,320
book that were not taped because the

795
00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:02,399
book is basically a transcript of of the

796
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:04,159
tapes because i watched the tapes and i

797
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:06,240
read the book but there are some

798
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:08,880
meetings that he was not allowed to

799
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:11,039
have recording devices in and he details

800
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:13,600
those meetings anonymously the doctors

801
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:17,679
from so-and-so uh in his book and

802
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:19,279
subsequently and

803
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:21,600
i can tell you that the details in that

804
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:24,000
book of an alleged encounter with two

805
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:25,840
doctors that apparently worked on one of

806
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:28,320
the live aliens i'm not saying it's true

807
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:31,039
or it's not true according to roger lear

808
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:33,120
it happened and i have no reason not to

809
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:34,240
believe it because we know that one of

810
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:36,240
them survived one of the creatures alive

811
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:38,480
one of them was dead do we know how long

812
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:40,159
that one was living how long went to

813
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:42,880
campinas alive right yeah that's what i

814
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:45,360
would have said

815
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,960
footage but uh there are other people

816
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:48,480
with witnesses that heard it making a

817
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:04,149
you know acknowledge uh dr roger laird

818
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:05,440
if there's anybody out there that

819
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:07,919
remembers phil sirens i believe his name

820
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:08,640
is

821
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:12,000
with the doctors

822
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:14,960
uber azshara jarro's son and

823
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:16,960
dr roger lear

824
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:19,120
dr roger laird is dead phil sarah

825
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:20,960
tracked him down he's dead

826
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:22,799
so

827
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:25,039
phil sirens and roger lear must have

828
00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:26,159
given

829
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:28,640
detailed accounts to some people that

830
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:30,720
he's close with because that meeting

831
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:32,480
with the doctor

832
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:33,360
uh

833
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:35,840
if if true is the most extraordinary

834
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:38,080
thing i've ever heard on the case

835
00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:40,080
and that's the two doctors describing

836
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:41,840
telepathic communication with the live

837
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:44,000
being in the hospital while it's in the

838
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:46,159
hospital with a military blockade on the

839
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:48,640
outside of the hospital room and

840
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:50,159
massive military presence during the

841
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:52,960
time now that's the account in dr roger

842
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:55,039
lear's book

843
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:56,960
and i have no reason not to believe it

844
00:32:05,669 --> 00:31:58,640
but i haven't had it verified by anybody

845
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:07,029
of course he would say that he's denying

846
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:08,480
pretty much everything on the case now

847
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:11,200
so i don't know if his testimony is is

848
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:12,000
still

849
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:14,399
um to be trustworthy

850
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:15,840
even though i think his research is the

851
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:17,840
best research on the case that anybody's

852
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:18,720
done

853
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:21,039
oh yeah but unfortunately he said 180

854
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:23,840
and i think somebody got to him in fact

855
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:25,440
somebody must have gone to him

856
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:28,080
he's a really good friend of peter and

857
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:30,559
he he just said that he doesn't have a

858
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:31,679
proof

859
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:32,880
like uh

860
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:35,039
some evidence to prove the case yeah but

861
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:36,960
that's not what he said before

862
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:38,480
is that what he said on camera with dr

863
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:40,880
lear yeah yeah

864
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:42,240
he

865
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:43,200
yeah

866
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:48,080
wow interesting so

867
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:49,679
let's talk about the witnesses the

868
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:52,320
witnesses from they're all from all over

869
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:54,080
i mean they're not in one central

870
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:56,720
location was there ever a time that the

871
00:33:01,029 --> 00:32:58,640
witnesses could have all talked to each

872
00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:01,039
other like were they ever in like a a

873
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:03,039
group where they could have like

874
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:05,279
exchanged stories or do you think these

875
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:07,279
are all like they never had contact with

876
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:09,360
each other what do we know about that

877
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:11,120
if i had one

878
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:13,919
like inkling or even a zero zero zero

879
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:15,840
one percent chance of that happening i

880
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:17,760
assume that i would have discounted

881
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:19,679
their testimony i don't think so for not

882
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:22,159
even not even a moment yeah not even

883
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:24,960
like not even on the radar right

884
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:27,039
so and and what is

885
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:29,519
what i think is amazing is

886
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:31,840
them basically all saying

887
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:33,519
the same thing you know most of these

888
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:35,200
witnesses didn't want to come forward

889
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:36,880
don't want to come forward

890
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:37,760
uh

891
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:38,720
you know

892
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:41,279
really haven't benefited in any way in

893
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:44,159
fact quite the opposite it's had a

894
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:45,440
really

895
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:48,480
awful impact on most of their lives it

896
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:50,480
seems like it has more than an awful

897
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:53,440
impact like even more threatened yeah it

898
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:56,080
seems like worse than what you normally

899
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:57,679
hear about a case

900
00:34:01,269 --> 00:34:00,480
you know like is is brazil generally you

901
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:01,279
know

902
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:03,200
thinking that anything to do with aliens

903
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:06,080
or ufos or anything like that is just

904
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:08,159
not to be talked about no because the

905
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:09,599
brazilian government

906
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:12,320
um i can let him comment on this as well

907
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:13,839
because we've been together for a couple

908
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:15,760
of interviews with generals both an army

909
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:16,800
general

910
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:20,800
um ochoa yes and uh carlos

911
00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:23,200
jose carlos pereira the brigadier and

912
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:24,879
they were both completely open about the

913
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:27,200
topic of ufos except

914
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:28,800
that they're real

915
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:30,320
ufos are real this is their flight

916
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:34,000
characteristics they exhibit a flight uh

917
00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:35,760
characteristics that are

918
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:38,079
way beyond anything within conventional

919
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:40,159
aircraft that ufos are real they're

920
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:41,520
intelligent control

921
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:44,000
but when it came to virginia

922
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:46,879
and i don't know because you've a very

923
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:48,639
big difference between

924
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:50,879
you know a craft that you're unable to

925
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:54,079
identify and beans on the ground yes and

926
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:56,320
crash recovery debris and

927
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:58,160
another thing that we learned beyond a

928
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:00,400
shadow of doubt every single witness we

929
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:02,720
spoke to is the americans were involved

930
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:04,160
the americans

931
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:04,960
yes

932
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,480
even raider operations

933
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:08,400
military uniforms

934
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:11,200
civilian like well yeah but they were

935
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:12,640
dressed civilians united states air

936
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:14,480
force craft that landed in good penis

937
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:16,480
that took something on the 22nd of

938
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:18,320
january yeah

939
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:19,440
so

940
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:21,440
if if the

941
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:22,800
brazilian

942
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:28,630
is fully transparent on the virginia

943
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:29,440
base

944
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:30,960
that's gonna

945
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:31,839
um

946
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:33,839
that's gonna expose the u.s enrollment

947
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:36,160
as well and according to these witnesses

948
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:39,119
they've got a lot more now to hide so

949
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:42,480
um there may be

950
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:45,280
a reason why the brazilian air force the

951
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:48,000
brazilian military has put the kibosh

952
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:50,000
down on this particular case because it

953
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:51,760
would expose the americans as well and

954
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:54,079
why do you think americans got involved

955
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:55,680
in something like this it's just

956
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:58,320
speculation but why would they why would

957
00:36:02,710 --> 00:35:59,760
the military

958
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:02,720
get involved in a brazilian case

959
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:04,560
well i mean the americans are involved

960
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:06,000
everywhere so

961
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:07,680
that i've learned firsthand not from

962
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:09,359
reading it out of a book

963
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:11,280
you know and i could go i could go on

964
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:14,160
until your audience uh eyes glazed over

965
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:16,560
but suffice to say that you know from

966
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:19,359
tehran to belgium to england to

967
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:21,040
australia to

968
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:24,320
uh africa uh to brazil

969
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:26,800
there's always that's why when

970
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:28,960
atip got announced on the front page of

971
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:32,000
the new york times in late 2017

972
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:33,359
i was like well that's great news and

973
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:34,880
that's really cool i got some release

974
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:36,880
from some some

975
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:38,320
photographic evidence of videotaped

976
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:40,720
evidence but

977
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:42,400
this is nothing new to me because i've

978
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,280
known

979
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:45,359
every military every witness i've talked

980
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:47,200
to primarily better the case the more

981
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:49,520
likely that happened that the americans

982
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:50,960
were involved so i knew they never

983
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:53,280
stopped investigating and intimidating

984
00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:55,839
witnesses and collecting data

985
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:57,680
that that's happening all over the world

986
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:00,000
and i and i didn't

987
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:03,040
i didn't believe it i learned it from

988
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:05,200
talking directly to these witnesses they

989
00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:06,800
were yeah the americans came yeah the

990
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:08,079
americans came it's like they all said

991
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:09,119
that it's like

992
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:12,160
really in the 70s in the 80s and the 90s

993
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:15,200
like in the 2000s so their investigation

994
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:17,839
never stopped and they have an uncanny

995
00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:19,839
ability and it's just to my surprise as

996
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:21,839
well they have an uncanny building to

997
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:22,960
monitor

998
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:24,720
these things going on all around the

999
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:25,839
world

1000
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:27,920
they always show up if it's a good case

1001
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:34,470
about it the american was involved yeah

1002
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,480
after the he's been trying to get me to

1003
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:38,640
do something on this 1977 case i guess

1004
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:40,400
it went on to like a year or more yes

1005
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:42,720
more yeah they have got video

1006
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:44,160
evidence or filming this would have been

1007
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:46,560
filmed yes video

1008
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:48,800
of craft coming out of the amazon yeah

1009
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:50,960
and close encounters of the third kind

1010
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:52,560
and uh that's something that we might at

1011
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:54,240
some point marco and i might

1012
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:56,640
might stick our teeth into well i'm

1013
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:57,920
going to have to hear a little bit more

1014
00:38:01,670 --> 00:37:59,200
about it oh

1015
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:01,680
it's an incredible case because we have

1016
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:04,240
all the air force brazilian air force

1017
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:06,320
force which was involved

1018
00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:10,160
and they took more than 400 pictures of

1019
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:13,359
these ufos uh we called the super super

1020
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:15,760
phenomenon and then

1021
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:17,440
and then the air force

1022
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:20,400
went to the small island in

1023
00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:22,160
clara's polaris

1024
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:26,000
to figure out and other uh cities around

1025
00:38:31,349 --> 00:38:27,839
to figure out what

1026
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:31,359
was uh what's going on you know and

1027
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:32,640
a lot of

1028
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:34,960
reports from the witness like very

1029
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:36,480
simple people

1030
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:38,800
uh we just saw the ufo and they were

1031
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:41,040
full scent look like a

1032
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:42,160
light

1033
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:44,640
and they were believing that they were

1034
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:47,680
sucking the blood or something else

1035
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:50,560
and uh yeah it's really incredible with

1036
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:52,640
a lot of many details how do we know the

1037
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:54,720
americans were involved because i heard

1038
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:57,839
from uh the very good researchers

1039
00:39:02,790 --> 00:39:00,960
uh and uh was a conversation by some

1040
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:02,800
officer that doesn't surprise me but i'm

1041
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:04,960
just here yeah and then uh there's these

1042
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:06,960
researchers from para

1043
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:10,640
they found like a house look like was a

1044
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:13,040
astronaut american astronaut which was

1045
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:16,000
living in the area and he were

1046
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:17,359
they were like

1047
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:19,920
aspire and they were thinking he was

1048
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:22,560
yeah he was inspired because he had very

1049
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:25,440
good votes and people saw

1050
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:27,440
when wouldn't surprise me it wouldn't

1051
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:28,960
surprise me one bit of course they

1052
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:30,720
wouldn't be involved and jacques volley

1053
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:33,359
investigated yeah

1054
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:36,160
yeah yeah it's anyway

1055
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:37,359
another story altogether but a

1056
00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:38,960
fascinating case i'm learning i'm just

1057
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:40,160
learning about it

1058
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:42,480
and it seems like there's definitely

1059
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:45,200
very significant evidence photographic

1060
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:46,800
and filmed evidence yeah and we have

1061
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:48,720
this document by the

1062
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:51,599
brazilian air force telling all

1063
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:54,079
they did all the we touched on it very

1064
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:56,480
briefly in moment of contact the

1065
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:58,320
diversity in the case we do a snapshot

1066
00:40:02,630 --> 00:39:59,839
history of some of the more prominent

1067
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:02,640
cases just like just a few like five or

1068
00:40:06,309 --> 00:40:04,079
six right

1069
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:06,319
and the ubertuba was one of them yes

1070
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:08,720
yeah which is that was like in the 50s

1071
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:12,319
or something 57 57 yes yeah

1072
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:13,760
which is uh

1073
00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:16,480
wasn't that a crush yes yeah

1074
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,400
uh i know we don't have to go

1075
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:20,640
into those details

1076
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:25,190
um

1077
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:28,720
okay the uh i guess i want as far as

1078
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:32,000
this particular case goes

1079
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:34,880
um was there did you speak i i've sort

1080
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:36,480
of said this in a different way but

1081
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:38,720
there were there are some off the record

1082
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:40,400
things that you really really wanted to

1083
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:42,880
be able to share you just could

1084
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:44,720
were not allowed to well the most

1085
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:47,520
significant would be the brigadier

1086
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:50,160
um which is he is that a general yeah he

1087
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:52,160
was like a brigadier in the highest

1088
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:55,520
position of our air force he used to

1089
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:57,200
uh take care

1090
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:58,640
of our

1091
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:00,000
aerospace

1092
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:02,880
defense like he was responsible for our

1093
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:04,640
security

1094
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:18,630
if you want to stay alive you don't talk

1095
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:20,400
about it can they say that yeah you

1096
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:23,839
realize it says question like report is

1097
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:26,079
that i say uh say in portuguese and then

1098
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:27,599
give us the english version yeah let's

1099
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:39,430
there's something that you can preserve

1100
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:41,040
a man's life

1101
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:43,119
is by keeping your mouth shut yeah yeah

1102
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:45,040
something like that yeah i get it i

1103
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:46,640
guess i remember when when he said that

1104
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:52,710
oh my god

1105
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:54,960
so so james getting back to

1106
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:57,119
uh let's see we got the sun forget the

1107
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:58,640
light right and

1108
00:42:01,270 --> 00:42:00,000
somehow you moved a little bit or

1109
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:01,280
something i'm not sure what's going on

1110
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:04,000
i'll just use the other camera okay um

1111
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:05,760
but um

1112
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:06,560
oh

1113
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:08,160
yeah

1114
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:10,640
so thank you

1115
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:11,920
try that again how's that a little

1116
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:13,119
better

1117
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:15,680
it's worse it's really good

1118
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:17,119
i think james you were blocking the

1119
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:18,240
light sorry i don't want to spend much

1120
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:20,079
time at one time but no it's not it's

1121
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:21,920
good now why don't we shut that off no

1122
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:24,319
okay no no bueno that's good no pretty

1123
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:26,560
critical light isn't it

1124
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:31,670
all right so i'll just use this camera

1125
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:33,760
for now there we go

1126
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:36,560
uh so getting back to the air force by

1127
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:38,560
silhouette that's good yeah that's about

1128
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:42,240
it yeah the this and showing up

1129
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:44,319
in every country i've always wondered

1130
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:46,720
you know as as we went along like i can

1131
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:48,079
tell you the first time i heard it okay

1132
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:49,599
you're going to have to move this over

1133
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:50,960
okay

1134
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:52,640
yeah well i'm just thinking i've got a

1135
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:54,640
couple of things yeah like

1136
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:56,560
someone said to me in one of the shows

1137
00:43:00,390 --> 00:42:58,720
recently um

1138
00:43:01,829 --> 00:43:00,400
well the

1139
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:01,839
if

1140
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:05,119
the

1141
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:07,760
you us air force is not getting involved

1142
00:43:10,829 --> 00:43:09,920
in the uap like the navy is

1143
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,839
you know

1144
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:12,400
in

1145
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:14,800
that's christopher millan uh well maybe

1146
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:16,400
he mentioned that yes but other people

1147
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:18,800
have been speculating too and so

1148
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:19,839
but

1149
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:24,400
to do wouldn't they like if they said oh

1150
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:26,480
yeah there's something to these

1151
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:28,400
they've been quietly you know project

1152
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:31,839
blue book blue book closes in 1969 but

1153
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:33,839
it didn't really i mean yes it did but

1154
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:35,599
there's still investigations ongoing

1155
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:37,200
there always has been

1156
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:40,319
and it's through the air force but in

1157
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:42,880
reality my thoughts are and yours can be

1158
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:45,359
totally different but i still think that

1159
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:47,200
no one really knows what's going on

1160
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:49,520
that's my own thoughts like they may

1161
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:51,920
know more than we know but they don't

1162
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:54,160
really know exactly what's going on what

1163
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:55,760
are your thoughts about that well that

1164
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:59,200
you know i i firmly believe

1165
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,319
that

1166
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:02,400
they know it's going on

1167
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:04,800
and they have hard evidence to prove

1168
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:07,359
that it's going on yeah they've got

1169
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:09,599
i believe this and you can criticize me

1170
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:11,119
for believing this and i don't blame you

1171
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:13,359
one bit but i believe that bodies and

1172
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:15,200
and debris have been recovered i didn't

1173
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:17,359
used to believe that yeah i only believe

1174
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:19,520
that after sticking my teeth into this

1175
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:21,920
really talking to witnesses and really

1176
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:25,200
having to set my own like

1177
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:26,720
uh

1178
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:32,309
i had a really hard time

1179
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:33,920
going from crafting this guy to beings

1180
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:44,069
all i can tell you is you don't have to

1181
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:45,200
believe anything that's coming out of my

1182
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:46,640
mouth and i don't blame you if you don't

1183
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:50,160
i really don't yeah but i am convinced

1184
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:51,040
now

1185
00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:54,319
that we have recovered debris and bodies

1186
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:55,839
i'm just convinced of it there's more

1187
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:58,319
evidence to suggest that we have then

1188
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:59,520
that we haven't

1189
00:45:01,670 --> 00:45:00,240
and

1190
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:01,680
but that doesn't mean they have all the

1191
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,960
answers they don't know what their

1192
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:04,800
agenda is where they come from what do

1193
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:07,599
they want and i don't believe honestly

1194
00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:08,960
from the highest levels of people that

1195
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:10,720
i've talked to and believe me i'm asking

1196
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:12,880
i'm one of the most curious people on

1197
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:15,040
the planet about this i'm dying to know

1198
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,800
what's going on yeah and i'm coming to

1199
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,160
the realization that i'm probably never

1200
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:20,640
going to know yeah and that sucks i know

1201
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:22,640
i've said to have a number for it i go

1202
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:24,160
after it you know

1203
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:26,160
i mean i'm learning more and more but

1204
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:27,760
the more i learn the more i realize i

1205
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:29,920
don't how much i don't know yeah you

1206
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:31,760
know yeah and i feel comfortable talking

1207
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:33,599
about the things that i do know because

1208
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:35,119
i got a film coming out that'll back up

1209
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:36,960
everything i'm telling you right now

1210
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:39,839
but um yeah i believe that

1211
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:42,640
well look this is what i do believe

1212
00:45:44,829 --> 00:45:43,520
that

1213
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:44,839
the

1214
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:48,000
phenomenon is

1215
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:50,079
omnipresent

1216
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:52,160
it's around us and all the time

1217
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:54,960
it has the ability to manifest itself in

1218
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:56,720
a multitude of ways and i've said this

1219
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:59,920
before but it's just the best conclusion

1220
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:01,040
uh

1221
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:02,720
it's omnipresent

1222
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:05,040
and it and it and it can manifest itself

1223
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:07,040
in physically like nuts and bolts but

1224
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:07,920
also

1225
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:10,640
telepathically or psychically you know

1226
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:12,640
i've talked to really like hardcore

1227
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:14,800
pragmatic nuts and bolts witnesses

1228
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:16,880
military guys that go i don't want to

1229
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:17,920
tell you this i don't know what do you

1230
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:18,640
mean

1231
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:20,400
i don't i i just i don't want to tell

1232
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:22,480
you this like well

1233
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:24,079
you're not going to i said well just try

1234
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:25,119
me

1235
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:30,240
i've heard that so yeah yeah and so

1236
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:33,760
there's that element of it as well

1237
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:36,000
but who they are

1238
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:38,240
what they want

1239
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:41,119
where they come from

1240
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:42,720
i have no idea and i don't think anybody

1241
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:44,880
does right

1242
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:47,280
talking about the telepathic yeah that

1243
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,800
really fascinates me because so many

1244
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:50,640
people say that a lot of people have

1245
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:51,520
said

1246
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:54,480
that um the message comes in about our

1247
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:56,560
planet taking care of our planet or our

1248
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:59,040
planet is you know in trouble

1249
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:00,480
um that type of thing i think it's

1250
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:02,800
fascinating but didn't take an alien to

1251
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:04,880
figure that one out

1252
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:12,230
yeah yeah but i mean going way back you

1253
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:14,160
know i mean going back you know years of

1254
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:15,599
course it's always been

1255
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:16,800
in the news you know what we're

1256
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:19,280
polluting or whatever but still that

1257
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:20,480
part and

1258
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:23,760
um and then you know i had i i had this

1259
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:25,599
wonderful story i'm not gonna because my

1260
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:26,800
listeners have already heard it but i'll

1261
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:28,800
tell you afterwards but uh

1262
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:30,640
this weird thing happened to this guy

1263
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:31,920
he's listening to the show and he

1264
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:34,880
contacted me and i totally believe what

1265
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:37,119
he's saying in this whole thing but he

1266
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:39,520
said i didn't want to say this but

1267
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:40,480
it's

1268
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:44,319
don't worry we're just observing it

1269
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:45,920
you know that type of thing and then

1270
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:48,079
everyone johnson told me that he was an

1271
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:50,079
airline commercial airline pilot i had a

1272
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:51,760
number of people but that in particular

1273
00:47:55,349 --> 00:47:53,920
because he didn't want to tell me yeah

1274
00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:55,359
sorry i didn't mean to yeah so it just

1275
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:57,200
popped in his head but everyone he was

1276
00:48:02,630 --> 00:47:59,920
with we're not here to harm you yes yes

1277
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:02,640
i do yeah johnson you know exactly where

1278
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:04,000
it was where i was standing when he said

1279
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:06,000
it yeah he didn't want to tell me

1280
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:08,079
because he knew how crazy it sounded

1281
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:09,440
yeah

1282
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:12,079
it is it is it is really amazing to

1283
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:13,920
think that someone community can

1284
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:16,240
communicate like that his web of

1285
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:17,520
intelligence it's like all

1286
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:20,079
interconnected yeah yeah i think edgar

1287
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:22,480
mitchell was onto something

1288
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:23,440
institute

1289
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:25,359
yeah it's all connected yeah the

1290
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:27,440
intelligence is all connected yeah i

1291
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:29,040
think it is yes

1292
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:31,440
yeah yeah that's pretty pretty amazing i

1293
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:34,559
know we're we're off of the vashima case

1294
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:36,960
a little bit that's okay

1295
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:38,319
but i do want to i don't think i've ever

1296
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:39,680
asked you this any time i've ever talked

1297
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:40,800
to you

1298
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:41,680
what

1299
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:44,240
made you decide to look in the topic of

1300
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:45,920
ufos i remember you would talk to your

1301
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:47,200
father when you was going to do your

1302
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:50,400
first film and he said don't do it

1303
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:51,440
crazy

1304
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:53,680
but the level of resistance i got for my

1305
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:55,680
friends and family

1306
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:57,920
but but in the beginning what what made

1307
00:49:02,470 --> 00:49:00,480
you interested in this topic i don't

1308
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:02,480
think i've ever asked you that question

1309
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:04,160
in the very beginning

1310
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:06,640
well i had a signing when i was 20

1311
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:08,880
with my friend lisa reinhardt

1312
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:10,880
and she actually just you know we talked

1313
00:49:14,549 --> 00:49:12,240
about it we've talked about it over the

1314
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:14,559
years recently

1315
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:15,760
she talked about the telepath the

1316
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:17,680
communication that we had that was what

1317
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:20,240
made it so unusual is that we both were

1318
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:21,760
like

1319
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:24,240
i don't know what the week that is but

1320
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:26,559
whatever it is i get the impression it

1321
00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:28,800
knows we're looking at it and i said

1322
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:31,359
yeah i feel the exact same thing

1323
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:32,559
and so

1324
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:33,760
uh

1325
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:35,440
i don't know if that had anything to do

1326
00:49:38,230 --> 00:49:37,040
with like you know

1327
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:38,240
five years

1328
00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:39,520
you know

1329
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:43,119
well three four five years later

1330
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:44,480
which at the time when i was in early

1331
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:46,559
20s seemed like a long time but now five

1332
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:48,640
years is nothing um

1333
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:50,480
why i would suddenly be obsessed i mean

1334
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:52,880
i did have a friend of mine talking

1335
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:54,240
about a really good friend of mine from

1336
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:55,520
college just coming from high school

1337
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:57,200
this guy renee harris and he was talking

1338
00:50:01,829 --> 00:49:59,680
to me about you know roswell and he was

1339
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:01,839
like you got to be kidding me buddy and

1340
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:03,760
i said well good high school friend of

1341
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:05,200
mine i'm going to have to write him off

1342
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:07,200
because he's lost his marks

1343
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:08,480
and then i

1344
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:10,480
i did bring it up with a guy named

1345
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:12,480
richard van sickle at a video production

1346
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:15,680
company that i was um apprenticing with

1347
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:18,400
uh and and richard was a very smart guy

1348
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:20,559
and like a great mainstream smart you

1349
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:21,280
know

1350
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:23,359
just he goes oh yeah he even heard about

1351
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:25,200
roswell it was like in the early 90s i

1352
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:26,720
don't know

1353
00:50:33,190 --> 00:50:29,839
94 95 94

1354
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:33,200
you know 93-94 and i was like no i heard

1355
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:35,359
about roswell yeah i mean the military

1356
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:36,880
announced it i mean the military is the

1357
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:38,960
one that said it happened and anyway

1358
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:40,720
that got me kind of and i went to a

1359
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:43,920
couple of conferences and i thought wow

1360
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:45,520
maybe there is something to this this

1361
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:47,200
seems like a pretty big story this man

1362
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:48,960
just slipped between the cracks because

1363
00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:51,440
people ask me like you know what keeps

1364
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:53,839
you going right

1365
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:55,920
very curious but b

1366
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:57,680
i feel like

1367
00:51:02,549 --> 00:50:59,200
wow this one really did slip between the

1368
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:02,559
cracks this is a big story um you know i

1369
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:04,640
can't simply write off all these great

1370
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:06,240
incredible witnesses

1371
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:08,480
you know of course now you know

1372
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:10,800
now no question might not have a shadow

1373
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:14,160
of doubt yeah it's all going on um what

1374
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:16,160
does it all mean

1375
00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:18,160
you know i think if it's if it's even if

1376
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:20,000
it's a scary reality

1377
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:21,119
um

1378
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:23,119
it's it's it's a reality it's part of

1379
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:26,400
the bigger picture of of who we are and

1380
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:28,880
and and how we fit into the larger

1381
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:30,559
picture and i think that's that's

1382
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:32,480
important and that we should embrace the

1383
00:51:36,309 --> 00:51:34,400
unknown and and

1384
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:36,319
and and

1385
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:37,280
and

1386
00:51:41,109 --> 00:51:39,280
see figure smoking out

1387
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:41,119
because it's like you know it's

1388
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:42,319
fascinating

1389
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:43,200
it is

1390
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:44,400
i mean

1391
00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:45,839
you know we probably learn more about

1392
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:49,839
our skills right yeah yeah i was i was

1393
00:51:52,950 --> 00:51:51,440
really feeling for so long oh my gosh

1394
00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:52,960
yeah yeah let's talk about that how did

1395
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:56,319
that oh god people i got i got a poster

1396
00:52:01,589 --> 00:51:58,640
in my office of me back in

1397
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:01,599
2005

1398
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:02,720
and it says

1399
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:03,680
you know

1400
00:52:07,349 --> 00:52:05,359
into the realm of pretty cool even

1401
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:07,359
though everybody reveals that james fox

1402
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:08,880
is still out there looking for the kind

1403
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:11,920
of thing yeah like you know that's just

1404
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:14,160
that's how it was treated yeah you know

1405
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:15,599
but

1406
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:18,480
nobody's laughing now right because you

1407
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:21,440
know 2017 let's change yeah and do you

1408
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:22,400
think

1409
00:52:27,750 --> 00:52:25,760
your movie phenomena if 2017 never

1410
00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:27,760
happened that never came out the way it

1411
00:52:29,829 --> 00:52:28,640
did

1412
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:29,839
do you think it would have gotten

1413
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:32,400
anywhere near the attention no i don't i

1414
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:34,079
believe you i believe you

1415
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:34,880
yeah

1416
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:36,640
it would have gotten attention

1417
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:38,160
out of the blue and i knew what i saw

1418
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:38,960
yeah

1419
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:46,480
we got written up in

1420
00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:47,839
you know we got mentioned in like the

1421
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:49,839
new yorker and

1422
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:51,599
i mean very mainstream

1423
00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:53,520
you know publications that would never

1424
00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:57,280
ever comment on ufos right right yeah

1425
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:59,200
and they're

1426
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:00,880
it's funny now actually because i get

1427
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:03,520
calls from some of these people and

1428
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:04,800
and i'm like these guys are actually

1429
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:07,200
taking this stuff seriously i think

1430
00:53:11,349 --> 00:53:08,160
uh

1431
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:11,359
senator harry reid yes getting him yeah

1432
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:17,030
um

1433
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:19,440
that was because he's a household name

1434
00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:20,800
yes whether you're a democratic

1435
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:22,720
republican the guy's a household name

1436
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:24,880
and he was yeah senate majority yeah

1437
00:53:28,630 --> 00:53:26,960
it's kind of a big deal yes having him

1438
00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:28,640
confirm what we've all suspected all

1439
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:30,160
these years yeah

1440
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:32,319
uh and then having the evidence uh from

1441
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:34,720
the cockpit recordings of these ufos

1442
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:36,880
yeah and saying yeah this is legit

1443
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:42,480
military stuff that's a big deal it is

1444
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:45,200
like skeptical family members were like

1445
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:46,079
wow

1446
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:48,800
oh my god we were just maybe maybe you

1447
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:51,200
were all just you know well that's good

1448
00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:52,880
i like to hear that

1449
00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:54,800
and uh yeah i mean people are coming to

1450
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:58,160
come i mean look i couldn't believe

1451
00:54:02,470 --> 00:54:00,319
was it last year

1452
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:02,480
when right before the report came out

1453
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:05,280
june 24th 2001 right yeah june 30th or

1454
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:11,430
was supposed to yeah made public yeah

1455
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:13,599
and leading up to that there were lots

1456
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:15,359
of articles and leslie kane and

1457
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:17,040
christopher mellon

1458
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:18,319
they talked about

1459
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:19,839
i couldn't believe it's on a podcast as

1460
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:22,079
well as in print they talked about

1461
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:25,359
recovered debris right crash debris yeah

1462
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:27,839
wow yeah mainstream was talking about

1463
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:30,160
that i was really shocked i was really

1464
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:31,760
shocked when i heard lou

1465
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:33,200
say that

1466
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:34,960
he was kind of put in a corner where he

1467
00:54:40,950 --> 00:54:37,440
had to say either yes or no that yeah it

1468
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:40,960
might exist yeah and uh in that he said

1469
00:54:47,109 --> 00:54:44,640
basically yes yeah uh that that he does

1470
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:47,119
believe there was some crash materials

1471
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:49,040
recovered yeah i believe i don't know

1472
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:51,680
exactly you know i'm paraphrasing i

1473
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:53,119
don't know exactly what he said but it's

1474
00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:55,520
along those lines and that is a big deal

1475
00:55:00,789 --> 00:54:57,200
very very big deal and i and i i've

1476
00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:00,799
talked about this before but

1477
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:05,990
moments in my career where i'm literally

1478
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:08,160
pinching myself and i've had a couple of

1479
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:10,480
those i bet and and uh and i can tell

1480
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:12,160
you all of them but one of the things i

1481
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:14,480
have maybe

1482
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:16,559
maybe four or five in my own career and

1483
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:18,400
i've been doing this 30 years now 29

1484
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:23,270
was when

1485
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:25,040
and i didn't want to push

1486
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:27,280
senator reid too far i'm going to just

1487
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:28,000
leave

1488
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:29,440
center yeah

1489
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:31,599
okay yeah thank you again george sam

1490
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,230
but uh

1491
00:55:40,789 --> 00:55:39,670
i wasn't sure what his comfort level

1492
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:40,799
would be

1493
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:43,680
and and so i i just went kind of on the

1494
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:45,520
conservative side for the first part and

1495
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:48,000
then i kind of would feel him out of it

1496
00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:49,440
and i'd push it a little further a

1497
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:51,440
little further yeah and then i think i

1498
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:53,119
got why don't you bring it

1499
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:55,200
um just push that envelope a little bit

1500
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:56,640
more and that's what i

1501
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:58,319
i had talked about

1502
00:56:02,230 --> 00:55:59,359
the

1503
00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:02,240
filmed

1504
00:56:07,750 --> 00:56:04,880
by yes

1505
00:56:14,069 --> 00:56:07,760
uh it was uh

1506
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:24,650
cooper

1507
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:27,349
[Music]

1508
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:29,520
and i brought that story

1509
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:31,280
to these engine of senator reid instead

1510
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:32,480
of refinish

1511
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:34,559
like finnish browns got to say oh they

1512
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:36,000
haven't just never seen her from ever

1513
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:37,680
again

1514
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:39,599
did you guys go after that stuff and he

1515
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:41,200
said yeah i said well

1516
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:42,720
and then kind of

1517
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:44,720
change the direction of the conversation

1518
00:56:47,829 --> 00:56:46,480
i said well hold hold on are you

1519
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:47,839
suggesting that there's evidence that

1520
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:49,839
hasn't been a lie today and that's what

1521
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:51,839
it is

1522
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:53,920
right there yeah that was like for me

1523
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:55,040
and i know i've talked about this and

1524
00:57:00,069 --> 00:56:57,520
some of you guys heard he said that was

1525
00:57:02,549 --> 00:57:00,079
wow because

1526
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:02,559
you could see and it felt much like when

1527
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:03,920
you watch the camera when you watch the

1528
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:06,880
cameras rolling after the fact it

1529
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:09,119
doesn't seem like this

1530
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:11,119
like pregnant pause

1531
00:57:14,789 --> 00:57:12,880
during that moment of taking this to the

1532
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:14,799
water but at the time it was like

1533
00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:16,400
you know you're almost sucked out of the

1534
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:18,960
room yeah and and i was like okay well

1535
00:57:22,230 --> 00:57:20,319
what's he gonna say you know and that's

1536
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:22,240
what i think he said the heck with this

1537
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:24,559
yeah so you know i'm saying that mostly

1538
00:57:37,829 --> 00:57:35,109
and

1539
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:37,839
it frustrates me

1540
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:39,520
to see how

1541
00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:41,280
you know the mainstream media has been

1542
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:43,760
playing catch up with this story

1543
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:45,680
and i'm like you can put me in the room

1544
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:47,760
with those congressmen and senators i

1545
00:57:51,190 --> 00:57:49,040
know the right questions that's they

1546
00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:51,200
can't yeah they can't be telling me

1547
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:53,200
china and russia i've been in china i've

1548
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:55,200
been to russia i've been with generals

1549
00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:56,640
in both places

1550
00:58:01,270 --> 00:57:58,559
they're just baffled by this phenomenon

1551
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:01,280
as we are and that's just like come on

1552
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:03,359
it is supposed to break let's do of

1553
00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:04,559
course it's about the right questions

1554
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:07,280
but you can't yeah obviously but it's

1555
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:08,880
like you know you can eliminate do the

1556
00:58:12,069 --> 00:58:10,559
process of elimination and that leaves

1557
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:12,079
you with only one thing

1558
00:58:17,829 --> 00:58:14,960
alone yeah yeah someone asked me

1559
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:17,839
recently i was getting interviewed

1560
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:23,510
someone said in your ten years uh over

1561
00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:26,640
ten years of doing podcasts um what is

1562
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:28,559
the most profound thing

1563
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:31,359
that you've learned and i basically

1564
00:58:36,789 --> 00:58:34,640
said is that there is actually really

1565
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:36,799
something going on

1566
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:45,540
can you prove it

1567
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:48,710
[Laughter]

1568
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:51,440
no but again it's like and i've said

1569
00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:53,760
this a few times on my show it's like

1570
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:56,079
i feel like over these 10 years of doing

1571
00:59:02,829 --> 00:58:58,880
this i have more questions

1572
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:02,839
and i know less about what it is

1573
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:04,480
um ideas

1574
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:10,390
that i can hear

1575
00:59:14,789 --> 00:59:12,000
different thoughts

1576
00:59:25,260 --> 00:59:14,799
but i still think that i still think um

1577
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:55,829
[Music]

1578
00:59:55,839 --> 01:00:12,710
has

1579
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:27,589
yes

1580
01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:28,630
best

1581
01:00:33,190 --> 01:00:31,680
i mean you know um

1582
01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:33,200
yeah

1583
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:34,640
didn't you

1584
01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:36,720
talk to you one time

1585
01:00:39,829 --> 01:00:37,680
um

1586
01:01:09,510 --> 01:00:39,839
james when you said that you saw like a

1587
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,789
it's called the

1588
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:15,430
hey i might have the handbook andrea 51

1589
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:17,280
s4 or something like that look it up

1590
01:01:21,670 --> 01:01:19,200
chuck clark on google

1591
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:21,680
all right so is the shot clock still why

1592
01:01:36,400 --> 01:02:05,670
back in the 90s

1593
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:08,230
and i was interviewing um

1594
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:09,680
chuck clark

1595
01:02:15,589 --> 01:02:12,480
and uh for like he's not an unrelated

1596
01:02:17,029 --> 01:02:15,599
thing he had some observations he could

1597
01:02:18,789 --> 01:02:17,039
go to these

1598
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:18,799
he was very smart guy he was an amateur

1599
01:02:24,309 --> 01:02:21,119
astronomer he was a former military guy

1600
01:02:26,710 --> 01:02:24,319
and he could interpret the maps somehow

1601
01:02:28,309 --> 01:02:26,720
and know the areas that the military

1602
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:28,319
didn't want you to go that there were a

1603
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:30,000
couple of little loopholes like you

1604
01:02:33,910 --> 01:02:32,480
could somehow jump from one you know you

1605
01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:33,920
get to advantage points and look down on

1606
01:02:37,109 --> 01:02:35,440
the base with high-powered telescopes

1607
01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:37,119
and cameras and he was taking pictures

1608
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:39,119
of stealth secret stuff and he had a

1609
01:02:43,109 --> 01:02:41,280
couple of incidents where he saw

1610
01:02:44,950 --> 01:02:43,119
objects doing maneuvers that were

1611
01:02:46,150 --> 01:02:44,960
impossible and he talked about that it

1612
01:02:52,789 --> 01:02:46,160
was

1613
01:02:59,589 --> 01:02:56,069
and uh one day he calls me up

1614
01:03:01,510 --> 01:02:59,599
and he says uh hey james this is chuck

1615
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:01,520
this is um i say hey what's going on he

1616
01:03:06,150 --> 01:03:04,480
goes uh i got something you need to see

1617
01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:06,160
and i said okay well

1618
01:03:08,789 --> 01:03:07,680
can you tell me more

1619
01:03:09,910 --> 01:03:08,799
he's like

1620
01:03:11,829 --> 01:03:09,920
no

1621
01:03:13,510 --> 01:03:11,839
but i will tell you this

1622
01:03:14,870 --> 01:03:13,520
when you see it your jaw is going to hit

1623
01:03:16,950 --> 01:03:14,880
the floor

1624
01:03:18,230 --> 01:03:16,960
i said that he goes

1625
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:18,240
that good

1626
01:03:22,309 --> 01:03:20,640
so i jumped in my car

1627
01:03:25,349 --> 01:03:22,319
in northern california and i drove

1628
01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:25,359
straight to area 51 rachel nevada what

1629
01:03:31,109 --> 01:03:27,440
was that eight hours 10 i thought it was

1630
01:03:33,190 --> 01:03:31,119
like 12 or 14. okay yeah long drive

1631
01:03:34,390 --> 01:03:33,200
and i drove all the way tonight and i

1632
01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:34,400
was like i'm going to see what this

1633
01:03:37,750 --> 01:03:36,319
guy's got to show me

1634
01:03:39,190 --> 01:03:37,760
yeah when i get to this i get to this

1635
01:03:40,150 --> 01:03:39,200
trailer and i i don't know man it was

1636
01:03:41,750 --> 01:03:40,160
like

1637
01:03:49,430 --> 01:03:41,760
i i couldn't tell what time of day it

1638
01:03:54,069 --> 01:03:52,630
he's got a vhf player and uh

1639
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:54,079
pops tape in

1640
01:03:58,710 --> 01:03:56,160
his play we didn't like stay a whole lot

1641
01:04:01,270 --> 01:03:58,720
prior to that it's like and it's these

1642
01:04:03,750 --> 01:04:01,280
two guys on a road trip but i'd get on

1643
01:04:05,190 --> 01:04:03,760
those road trips they've got goofy music

1644
01:04:07,990 --> 01:04:05,200
playing and they're like hey they're

1645
01:04:10,230 --> 01:04:08,000
posing next to the little alien you know

1646
01:04:11,829 --> 01:04:10,240
inside the little alien with goofing off

1647
01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:11,839
and just

1648
01:04:15,910 --> 01:04:12,960
being

1649
01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:17,750
and then um they had music playing in

1650
01:04:22,950 --> 01:04:19,920
the car and then all of a sudden

1651
01:04:27,109 --> 01:04:24,549
they're on a dirt road and they're

1652
01:04:29,349 --> 01:04:27,119
stopped and they're filming

1653
01:04:31,190 --> 01:04:29,359
and it looks like

1654
01:04:33,029 --> 01:04:31,200
if i'm in the driver's seat

1655
01:04:35,990 --> 01:04:33,039
and he's in the passenger seat

1656
01:04:37,910 --> 01:04:36,000
it looks like someone took the camera

1657
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:37,920
and put it on the arborist in between

1658
01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:38,880
the two

1659
01:04:43,829 --> 01:04:41,520
and it's not level the camera's cocked

1660
01:04:47,109 --> 01:04:43,839
just a little bit a little bit but it's

1661
01:04:48,549 --> 01:04:47,119
just it's not low i'm a camera guy

1662
01:04:50,789 --> 01:04:48,559
and uh and they're screaming it's

1663
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:50,799
filming the dashboard

1664
01:04:55,349 --> 01:04:53,520
the dash the windscreen

1665
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:55,359
the you know all the knobs and the air

1666
01:04:58,069 --> 01:04:57,200
conditioning in the radio the radio was

1667
01:04:59,589 --> 01:04:58,079
off

1668
01:05:01,190 --> 01:04:59,599
just totally silent

1669
01:05:02,789 --> 01:05:01,200
and they're screaming at each other back

1670
01:05:04,710 --> 01:05:02,799
and forth and it sounded like they're

1671
01:05:06,390 --> 01:05:04,720
trying to crawl under the seats where it

1672
01:05:07,430 --> 01:05:06,400
sounded like okay but they're not being

1673
01:05:09,750 --> 01:05:07,440
filmed so i don't know what they were

1674
01:05:11,349 --> 01:05:09,760
doing but that's what it sounded like

1675
01:05:13,510 --> 01:05:11,359
it's over the top of us it's over the

1676
01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:13,520
top of this get down get down it's over

1677
01:05:16,950 --> 01:05:14,720
the top of us

1678
01:05:18,789 --> 01:05:16,960
and all of a sudden

1679
01:05:20,870 --> 01:05:18,799
the inside of this car lights up like a

1680
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:20,880
steven spielberg okay

1681
01:05:24,789 --> 01:05:22,559
it was like only

1682
01:05:27,430 --> 01:05:24,799
kind of an orange glow what kind of what

1683
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:27,440
time of day was it dusk was done yeah it

1684
01:05:31,190 --> 01:05:28,559
wasn't one

1685
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:31,200
dark it wasn't light it was dusk and it

1686
01:05:35,349 --> 01:05:33,520
lights up this dashboard like like

1687
01:05:36,470 --> 01:05:35,359
orangey light

1688
01:05:39,109 --> 01:05:36,480
and the whole

1689
01:05:40,069 --> 01:05:39,119
cabin had this light inside

1690
01:05:42,789 --> 01:05:40,079
and

1691
01:05:46,710 --> 01:05:42,799
here's the crazy part

1692
01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:46,720
the shadows on the inside of the car

1693
01:05:51,430 --> 01:05:48,720
were doing this really fluid kind of

1694
01:05:53,910 --> 01:05:51,440
motion where they were kind of just you

1695
01:05:56,069 --> 01:05:53,920
were like what the hell like what the

1696
01:05:57,670 --> 01:05:56,079
hell guaranteed you'd never see anything

1697
01:05:59,589 --> 01:05:57,680
like it because

1698
01:06:01,589 --> 01:05:59,599
the only way that happened

1699
01:06:03,990 --> 01:06:01,599
is that above the car

1700
01:06:05,829 --> 01:06:04,000
there was a light source on a pendulum

1701
01:06:07,270 --> 01:06:05,839
doing this kind of but it wasn't like a

1702
01:06:08,870 --> 01:06:07,280
consistent movement in the sense that it

1703
01:06:10,950 --> 01:06:08,880
was like a pendulum where it would go

1704
01:06:12,950 --> 01:06:10,960
this way like a clock and then back no

1705
01:06:14,630 --> 01:06:12,960
it was more inconsistent than that it

1706
01:06:15,750 --> 01:06:14,640
was like it was like doing something

1707
01:06:17,510 --> 01:06:15,760
like this

1708
01:06:20,870 --> 01:06:17,520
the light inside the car and were

1709
01:06:24,470 --> 01:06:20,880
freaking out okay

1710
01:06:26,870 --> 01:06:24,480
i'm like jesus christ like i'm looking

1711
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:26,880
shocked he's looking at me and i'm going

1712
01:06:31,109 --> 01:06:29,680
what the hell is going on here then one

1713
01:06:33,589 --> 01:06:31,119
of the guys

1714
01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:33,599
who's like 19 i'm told according to

1715
01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:36,160
chuck he's like i'm getting out

1716
01:06:39,270 --> 01:06:37,920
i'm gonna film this thing

1717
01:06:40,789 --> 01:06:39,280
and the guy is

1718
01:06:41,829 --> 01:06:40,799
dreaming at him not to get out of the

1719
01:07:04,950 --> 01:06:41,839
car

1720
01:07:06,069 --> 01:07:04,960
here and the object here okay

1721
01:07:07,910 --> 01:07:06,079
like here

1722
01:07:09,190 --> 01:07:07,920
he's filming up at the object so you can

1723
01:07:14,150 --> 01:07:09,200
see

1724
01:07:15,589 --> 01:07:14,160
at the top of the graph okay it was kind

1725
01:07:17,349 --> 01:07:15,599
of like an angle i mean it was blowing

1726
01:07:19,750 --> 01:07:17,359
you could have hit it with the rock

1727
01:07:20,950 --> 01:07:19,760
okay something like this and it looked

1728
01:07:22,789 --> 01:07:20,960
like

1729
01:07:24,630 --> 01:07:22,799
the skin of this

1730
01:07:26,630 --> 01:07:24,640
craft was alive

1731
01:07:28,950 --> 01:07:26,640
it looked like phosphorus like you see

1732
01:07:31,270 --> 01:07:28,960
on a beach like it was glowing but there

1733
01:07:34,230 --> 01:07:31,280
were no light sources right

1734
01:07:36,710 --> 01:07:34,240
what color what like a yellowy orange

1735
01:07:40,470 --> 01:07:38,390
if you take a pie like if you have a

1736
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:40,480
perfect disc like like a pie

1737
01:07:45,750 --> 01:07:43,200
and you have like a long pizza knife

1738
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:45,760
and you very evenly

1739
01:07:49,349 --> 01:07:47,280
cut

1740
01:07:52,309 --> 01:07:49,359
the thing up but you didn't remove the

1741
01:07:54,150 --> 01:07:52,319
pieces it had like darker seams

1742
01:07:55,510 --> 01:07:54,160
for those they're perfectly symmetrical

1743
01:07:56,789 --> 01:07:55,520
they're beautiful

1744
01:07:58,710 --> 01:07:56,799
and the whole thing was glowing and it

1745
01:08:01,510 --> 01:07:58,720
was just wobbling like

1746
01:08:02,390 --> 01:08:01,520
magic right just like this i swear to

1747
01:08:04,470 --> 01:08:02,400
god

1748
01:08:09,270 --> 01:08:04,480
i swear on my life as i saw this thing

1749
01:08:13,430 --> 01:08:11,029
this is the best footage i've ever seen

1750
01:08:15,670 --> 01:08:13,440
times 100 million yeah

1751
01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:15,680
i looked over at chuck and the kid who's

1752
01:08:21,269 --> 01:08:18,480
filming it goes on oh my god

1753
01:08:22,470 --> 01:08:21,279
and then the camera shuts off

1754
01:08:27,269 --> 01:08:22,480
like he said

1755
01:08:31,590 --> 01:08:29,590
he said exactly what i was saying in my

1756
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:31,600
head

1757
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:34,000
oh my god and he couldn't even think he

1758
01:08:52,390 --> 01:08:49,910
he said these kids had come and they had

1759
01:08:54,870 --> 01:08:52,400
dinner whatever at the little alien

1760
01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:54,880
and then they talked they left

1761
01:08:57,990 --> 01:08:56,400
and then they came back

1762
01:08:59,669 --> 01:08:58,000
they went out to the black mailbox

1763
01:09:01,110 --> 01:08:59,679
apparently it was right around there

1764
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:01,120
they came back and they were freaking

1765
01:09:06,070 --> 01:09:03,440
out oh my god you know you believe what

1766
01:09:07,829 --> 01:09:06,080
we just saw and we videotaped so they

1767
01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:07,839
showed chuck i guess and the patent

1768
01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:10,080
whoever else was there at the time and

1769
01:09:14,149 --> 01:09:12,960
they let chuck make a vhs table

1770
01:09:18,070 --> 01:09:14,159
i mean

1771
01:09:20,950 --> 01:09:18,080
that you know so they're too so i said

1772
01:09:21,829 --> 01:09:20,960
chuck i said chuck

1773
01:09:44,229 --> 01:09:21,839
i

1774
01:09:46,070 --> 01:09:44,239
after about 10 years

1775
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:46,080
and i'm the most tenacious person that

1776
01:09:49,990 --> 01:09:47,520
you'll ever meet

1777
01:09:51,669 --> 01:09:50,000
he said if you ask me again i'm never

1778
01:09:55,030 --> 01:09:51,679
speaking to you oh

1779
01:09:57,030 --> 01:09:55,040
i went that far and i asked him again

1780
01:09:58,470 --> 01:09:57,040
and and so chuck wouldn't get back to me

1781
01:10:00,630 --> 01:09:58,480
i was caught him i'm tracking out her

1782
01:10:02,870 --> 01:10:00,640
own letters wouldn't get back to me

1783
01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:02,880
so recently

1784
01:10:07,669 --> 01:10:05,360
and i can't really reveal too much this

1785
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:07,679
but recently i said

1786
01:10:10,470 --> 01:10:08,880
screw it

1787
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:10,480
i'm talking about this and i'm talking

1788
01:10:15,030 --> 01:10:12,960
about it with his name i've had that

1789
01:10:17,189 --> 01:10:15,040
like you know this guy's gonna die in

1790
01:10:17,990 --> 01:10:17,199
his trailer with his footage

1791
01:10:23,990 --> 01:10:18,000
yeah

1792
01:10:25,750 --> 01:10:24,000
him his word i said honorable put me in

1793
01:10:27,990 --> 01:10:25,760
touch with the people who sought it let

1794
01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:28,000
me at least talk to them yeah he

1795
01:10:31,510 --> 01:10:29,600
wouldn't do it why

1796
01:10:32,790 --> 01:10:31,520
he didn't say

1797
01:10:35,110 --> 01:10:32,800
so

1798
01:10:36,870 --> 01:10:35,120
i mentioned this

1799
01:10:38,550 --> 01:10:36,880
about a year ago

1800
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:38,560
maybe a little longer i don't know a

1801
01:10:41,990 --> 01:10:39,840
year and a half

1802
01:10:43,830 --> 01:10:42,000
when did the phenomenon come out

1803
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:43,840
late

1804
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:45,679
so anyway i mentioned it on the show

1805
01:10:49,830 --> 01:10:48,000
yeah this guy contacts me he's like

1806
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:49,840
i think he's a private investigator

1807
01:10:54,310 --> 01:10:52,000
he goes i find

1808
01:10:57,189 --> 01:10:54,320
yes you want me to find chocolate yeah

1809
01:10:58,709 --> 01:10:57,199
fine so keep my name out of the mix yeah

1810
01:11:02,070 --> 01:10:58,719
he won't talk to me

1811
01:11:03,990 --> 01:11:02,080
and so he found him he did yes he did

1812
01:11:06,790 --> 01:11:04,000
and he went

1813
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:06,800
to sea duck in arizona in the middle of

1814
01:11:09,910 --> 01:11:07,920
nowhere

1815
01:11:11,189 --> 01:11:09,920
and shocked on the footage

1816
01:11:13,350 --> 01:11:11,199
and he said it's exactly as you

1817
01:11:17,030 --> 01:11:13,360
described to james however the vhs tape

1818
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:24,950
so

1819
01:11:30,470 --> 01:11:27,669
10 tells the guy the name of the

1820
01:11:32,229 --> 01:11:30,480
cameraman the production company

1821
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:32,239
who was at a tv

1822
01:11:52,790 --> 01:11:35,760
news station in los angeles

1823
01:11:55,430 --> 01:11:54,390
and i said george

1824
01:11:57,669 --> 01:11:55,440
i said

1825
01:11:59,110 --> 01:11:57,679
george and i have talked about

1826
01:12:02,070 --> 01:11:59,120
what's the most amazing project you've

1827
01:12:04,950 --> 01:12:02,080
ever seen was in fact at the time when i

1828
01:12:07,510 --> 01:12:04,960
interviewed george in um

1829
01:12:09,910 --> 01:12:07,520
in las vegas when i interviewed senator

1830
01:12:11,510 --> 01:12:09,920
aaron lee and so i told

1831
01:12:13,189 --> 01:12:11,520
george about

1832
01:12:15,750 --> 01:12:13,199
you know chuck clark

1833
01:12:16,950 --> 01:12:15,760
and jordan george goes oh and last thing

1834
01:12:18,550 --> 01:12:16,960
that trump said to me he said i'll

1835
01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:18,560
remember talking again

1836
01:12:49,270 --> 01:12:19,679
is

1837
01:12:53,189 --> 01:12:50,790
i said well chuck

1838
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:53,199
apparently you know at the time i didn't

1839
01:12:57,669 --> 01:12:55,840
know that because i you know i hadn't

1840
01:12:59,510 --> 01:12:57,679
made that announcement in public i

1841
01:13:02,229 --> 01:12:59,520
didn't know that chuck still had the

1842
01:13:03,430 --> 01:13:02,239
footage that you know so i called

1843
01:13:05,270 --> 01:13:03,440
george

1844
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:05,280
and i started putting pressure on him

1845
01:13:09,270 --> 01:13:07,440
right after i found out that the chuck

1846
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:09,280
had the date and chuck was willing to

1847
01:13:12,149 --> 01:13:10,320
show it

1848
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:12,159
you know and maybe like

1849
01:13:16,630 --> 01:13:13,920
so what i'm getting at here is that

1850
01:13:30,149 --> 01:13:16,640
jordan is really busy

1851
01:13:30,159 --> 01:13:44,310
you know

1852
01:13:47,669 --> 01:13:45,830
so now he's gone

1853
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:47,679
so we went and contacted this place at

1854
01:13:52,070 --> 01:13:49,920
work and he's got to have that asp in

1855
01:13:52,950 --> 01:13:52,080
the library somewhere we contacted his

1856
01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:52,960
son

1857
01:14:02,950 --> 01:13:59,750
any lead at all back for the original to

1858
01:14:07,430 --> 01:14:02,960
the asb no the two guys filmed no

1859
01:14:13,990 --> 01:14:10,229
it tears my heart out yeah do you think

1860
01:14:17,750 --> 01:14:14,000
would be able to reach those people

1861
01:14:19,270 --> 01:14:17,760
i don't know i don't know yeah

1862
01:14:22,310 --> 01:14:19,280
i don't know

1863
01:14:23,669 --> 01:14:22,320
so you think that he was

1864
01:14:26,550 --> 01:14:23,679
taken to the right

1865
01:14:28,709 --> 01:14:26,560
i was like no it wasn't oh no it's not

1866
01:14:32,630 --> 01:14:28,719
because it was seen halfway yes

1867
01:14:34,070 --> 01:14:32,640
ah yes so it still exists yes i noticed

1868
01:14:35,189 --> 01:14:34,080
this all right my friend just went

1869
01:14:37,669 --> 01:14:35,199
inside

1870
01:14:39,910 --> 01:14:37,679
like months ago all right so anyone

1871
01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:39,920
listening to this get on this well

1872
01:14:44,229 --> 01:14:42,000
unfortunately the guy that dave chuck

1873
01:14:46,709 --> 01:14:44,239
was now dead and he died

1874
01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:46,719
literally like a month or two after i

1875
01:14:50,390 --> 01:14:48,719
was telling george knapp to go after it

1876
01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:50,400
because george happened after he got his

1877
01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:52,080
anger still alive he would have gotten a

1878
01:14:57,110 --> 01:14:54,320
high resolution quality from being sp

1879
01:15:00,310 --> 01:14:57,120
according to chuck yeah when you saw it

1880
01:15:02,310 --> 01:15:00,320
was it clear it was called yeah

1881
01:15:04,390 --> 01:15:02,320
yeah

1882
01:15:07,030 --> 01:15:04,400
and how about that was there any sound

1883
01:15:08,229 --> 01:15:07,040
or anything yeah

1884
01:15:32,870 --> 01:15:08,239
oh

1885
01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:33,669
yeah

1886
01:15:36,790 --> 01:15:35,520
and the way it glowed

1887
01:15:50,390 --> 01:15:36,800
because you know you feel like a light

1888
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:57,030
i was speechless

1889
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:59,189
you know the yeah my

1890
01:16:05,030 --> 01:16:00,000
one

1891
01:16:08,790 --> 01:16:06,790
you know ufo gonna keep the best

1892
01:16:10,870 --> 01:16:08,800
evidence to yourself and your in your

1893
01:16:12,149 --> 01:16:10,880
house and not even try to get the people

1894
01:16:13,430 --> 01:16:12,159
to come forward

1895
01:16:15,189 --> 01:16:13,440
like

1896
01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:15,199
you know that doesn't make any sense you

1897
01:16:19,110 --> 01:16:16,320
know i mean

1898
01:16:20,709 --> 01:16:19,120
so one just like i've been that's why

1899
01:16:22,790 --> 01:16:20,719
like a year ago i saw the nail with it

1900
01:16:23,990 --> 01:16:22,800
i'm talking about it now

1901
01:16:26,550 --> 01:16:24,000
and i talked about it before i don't

1902
01:16:27,750 --> 01:16:26,560
know if i revealed his name or not but

1903
01:16:29,030 --> 01:16:27,760
anyway

1904
01:16:32,390 --> 01:16:29,040
you know

1905
01:16:34,470 --> 01:16:32,400
said why didn't come forward

1906
01:16:36,149 --> 01:16:34,480
yeah you know just give me something not

1907
01:16:37,270 --> 01:16:36,159
i won't talk to you again if you ask me

1908
01:16:39,430 --> 01:16:37,280
why the hell did you show them you know

1909
01:16:40,630 --> 01:16:39,440
who i am you know what exactly you're

1910
01:16:42,229 --> 01:16:40,640
gonna show me that footage and say you

1911
01:16:43,830 --> 01:16:42,239
can't have it the reason i won't even

1912
01:16:46,630 --> 01:16:43,840
make an effort for you to get access to

1913
01:16:48,550 --> 01:16:46,640
it zero

1914
01:16:50,149 --> 01:16:48,560
zero just let me talk to the people

1915
01:16:51,830 --> 01:16:50,159
that's all i wanted if there was

1916
01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:51,840
anything you if you had a chance to do

1917
01:16:55,110 --> 01:16:53,360
everything all over again i grabbed that

1918
01:16:57,110 --> 01:16:55,120
table right out of there

1919
01:16:59,030 --> 01:16:57,120
i wouldn't

1920
01:17:02,470 --> 01:16:59,040
you know

1921
01:17:04,550 --> 01:17:02,480
i don't i would drop that tape

1922
01:17:05,830 --> 01:17:04,560
yeah because that doesn't belong to one

1923
01:17:07,669 --> 01:17:05,840
person that belongs to all of us that's

1924
01:17:09,669 --> 01:17:07,679
the best evidence i've ever seen times

1925
01:17:11,910 --> 01:17:09,679
100 billion yeah

1926
01:17:14,149 --> 01:17:11,920
yeah nothing even close yeah i mean

1927
01:17:16,310 --> 01:17:14,159
imagine the disc in dusk that you can

1928
01:17:17,430 --> 01:17:16,320
hit with a rock and it's several seconds

1929
01:17:19,030 --> 01:17:17,440
long

1930
01:17:21,189 --> 01:17:19,040
this is not like something like there's

1931
01:17:22,950 --> 01:17:21,199
no it's not like oh that could have been

1932
01:17:25,110 --> 01:17:22,960
a stealth aircraft no

1933
01:17:28,390 --> 01:17:25,120
no this was sitting in one place and it

1934
01:17:31,510 --> 01:17:28,400
was doing this weird like very fluid the

1935
01:17:33,110 --> 01:17:31,520
way it was like

1936
01:17:35,590 --> 01:17:33,120
this kind of thing like it was like

1937
01:17:37,270 --> 01:17:35,600
bobbing with water yeah you know and

1938
01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:37,280
probably nothing to do with area do you

1939
01:17:41,590 --> 01:17:39,360
want test equipment

1940
01:17:50,390 --> 01:17:41,600
but i mean well maybe it was but i'll

1941
01:17:55,669 --> 01:17:53,189
off the ground right there yeah okay

1942
01:18:09,590 --> 01:17:55,679
that's what i saw yeah

1943
01:18:13,350 --> 01:18:11,750
yeah and i don't give up easily you can

1944
01:18:14,470 --> 01:18:13,360
ask this guy

1945
01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:14,480
you remember some of the witnesses that

1946
01:18:20,870 --> 01:18:16,239
i want to go talk to you're like

1947
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:23,350
you know they told you about eric i

1948
01:18:28,570 --> 01:18:52,830
[Music]

1949
01:18:56,229 --> 01:18:54,310
is you said that

1950
01:18:58,550 --> 01:18:56,239
i've ever shot

1951
01:19:00,630 --> 01:18:58,560
yeah i've ever been part of yeah

1952
01:19:03,430 --> 01:19:00,640
he said oh you something was

1953
01:19:05,189 --> 01:19:03,440
too based i could see the stress

1954
01:19:06,310 --> 01:19:05,199
never forget it and why do you think he

1955
01:19:07,990 --> 01:19:06,320
was so

1956
01:19:09,830 --> 01:19:08,000
they told him to shut his pile that's

1957
01:19:12,550 --> 01:19:09,840
why

1958
01:19:14,870 --> 01:19:12,560
no question yeah zero so he's basically

1959
01:19:16,709 --> 01:19:14,880
threatened oh my god i look i can't

1960
01:19:19,350 --> 01:19:16,719
prove that but it was written all over

1961
01:19:21,110 --> 01:19:19,360
his face yeah are you kidding oh yeah

1962
01:19:24,149 --> 01:19:21,120
you say hey guys how you doing it didn't

1963
01:19:26,310 --> 01:19:24,159
happen this is a joke

1964
01:19:28,870 --> 01:19:26,320
that is not what he said and before you

1965
01:19:30,630 --> 01:19:28,880
met you know did he ask him anything if

1966
01:19:32,790 --> 01:19:30,640
you're here to talk about the 18 i'm not

1967
01:19:34,470 --> 01:19:32,800
going to talk or he's not going to talk

1968
01:19:35,990 --> 01:19:34,480
like oh okay it's like the cops going up

1969
01:19:37,590 --> 01:19:36,000
your house oh there's no drugs in here

1970
01:19:43,990 --> 01:19:37,600
officer yeah it's like well we didn't

1971
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:44,790
yeah

1972
01:19:49,830 --> 01:19:47,760
uh marco i just want to ask

1973
01:19:51,430 --> 01:19:49,840
i'll ask you the same question we'll go

1974
01:19:55,430 --> 01:19:51,440
back and forth between these things but

1975
01:19:57,590 --> 01:19:55,440
this that that footage thing oh man

1976
01:19:59,510 --> 01:19:57,600
uh i really hope that we can all

1977
01:20:02,630 --> 01:19:59,520
experience that someday but i'm

1978
01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:02,640
interested in how you got interested in

1979
01:20:07,270 --> 01:20:05,280
the ufo topic in the beginning yeah so

1980
01:20:10,790 --> 01:20:07,280
how did all that happen with you uh it

1981
01:20:31,110 --> 01:20:10,800
happened like when i was a child yeah

1982
01:20:35,669 --> 01:20:34,070
this is i had 11 years old so when i had

1983
01:20:38,550 --> 01:20:35,679
14 years old

1984
01:20:41,669 --> 01:20:38,560
like three years later i was with my

1985
01:20:42,790 --> 01:20:41,679
friends we went to play a soccer game

1986
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:42,800
and we

1987
01:20:47,830 --> 01:20:45,600
we saw like my friends called like an

1988
01:20:48,709 --> 01:20:47,840
object like a triangle

1989
01:20:51,669 --> 01:20:48,719
and

1990
01:20:54,390 --> 01:20:51,679
he would they doing he was being

1991
01:20:56,790 --> 01:20:54,400
like this and uh

1992
01:20:59,510 --> 01:20:56,800
and i remember i said

1993
01:21:01,830 --> 01:20:59,520
what is this and no noise

1994
01:21:04,149 --> 01:21:01,840
and uh the this triangle just

1995
01:21:05,990 --> 01:21:04,159
disappeared like very fast

1996
01:21:09,189 --> 01:21:06,000
you know and then that's where you are

1997
01:21:10,149 --> 01:21:09,199
meeting chris did and i went to the

1998
01:21:12,709 --> 01:21:10,159
to the

1999
01:21:15,750 --> 01:21:12,719
magazine places and i bought the ufo

2000
01:21:16,870 --> 01:21:15,760
magazine so i started to read about it

2001
01:21:19,189 --> 01:21:16,880
and i said

2002
01:21:21,510 --> 01:21:19,199
well something's going on you know

2003
01:21:24,229 --> 01:21:21,520
i went through and i knew about even

2004
01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:24,239
from congress around brazil and i used

2005
01:21:30,629 --> 01:21:25,920
to

2006
01:21:33,830 --> 01:21:30,639
congress so

2007
01:21:36,390 --> 01:21:33,840
then i felt really hard in my heart to

2008
01:21:38,149 --> 01:21:36,400
investigate the case with me just

2009
01:21:39,030 --> 01:21:38,159
because i wouldn't know it

2010
01:21:42,790 --> 01:21:39,040
but i

2011
01:21:45,669 --> 01:21:42,800
i don't believe too much like video um

2012
01:21:49,110 --> 01:21:45,679
it's crazy i wanna go investigate you

2013
01:21:51,189 --> 01:21:49,120
want to know yeah i just wanted to know

2014
01:21:51,990 --> 01:21:51,199
you got the blog yeah

2015
01:21:57,590 --> 01:21:52,000
yeah

2016
01:21:59,430 --> 01:21:57,600
crazy that's great i'm glad you

2017
01:22:02,149 --> 01:21:59,440
really attended and you were available

2018
01:22:03,590 --> 01:22:02,159
to work with because you knew that

2019
01:22:05,910 --> 01:22:03,600
that you would have to learn how to be

2020
01:22:08,830 --> 01:22:05,920
poor portuguese contact wouldn't exist

2021
01:22:12,149 --> 01:22:08,840
without this guy yeah

2022
01:22:14,629 --> 01:22:12,159
yeah fellow researchers yeah

2023
01:22:15,990 --> 01:22:14,639
not like these guys yeah these guys

2024
01:22:17,590 --> 01:22:16,000
really got their boots on the ground and

2025
01:22:19,750 --> 01:22:17,600
went after it and when i was there i was

2026
01:22:21,990 --> 01:22:19,760
doing the same thing i was he was there

2027
01:22:24,709 --> 01:22:22,000
all the time yeah for a year

2028
01:22:27,270 --> 01:22:24,719
years yeah and then i had my first

2029
01:22:30,470 --> 01:22:27,280
experience like working with the subject

2030
01:22:34,229 --> 01:22:30,480
with james and then after that uh i met

2031
01:22:36,550 --> 01:22:34,239
a guy fred and he did a show for his

2032
01:22:39,590 --> 01:22:36,560
channel in brazil like it's a series

2033
01:22:42,870 --> 01:22:39,600
that we call the zombies which is a take

2034
01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:42,880
right with ufos two just to show some

2035
01:22:46,070 --> 01:22:43,920
things

2036
01:22:48,629 --> 01:22:46,080
that are happening in brazil so we

2037
01:22:49,990 --> 01:22:48,639
should like creating a plot

2038
01:22:51,510 --> 01:22:50,000
and

2039
01:22:52,390 --> 01:22:51,520
because you know

2040
01:22:53,510 --> 01:22:52,400
he

2041
01:22:55,590 --> 01:22:53,520
like

2042
01:22:57,350 --> 01:22:55,600
he gave me the opportunity to learn a

2043
01:23:01,669 --> 01:22:57,360
little bit about that

2044
01:23:14,790 --> 01:23:01,679
so i used to love to do i'm since uh

2045
01:23:19,830 --> 01:23:17,030
he's actually coming to l.a with me

2046
01:23:21,830 --> 01:23:19,840
to see the sound design work done to see

2047
01:23:23,830 --> 01:23:21,840
the trailer being made

2048
01:23:26,390 --> 01:23:23,840
we got the guy that doesn't sound

2049
01:23:28,229 --> 01:23:26,400
designed with uh james cameron he's

2050
01:23:30,950 --> 01:23:28,239
doing sound design for

2051
01:23:33,910 --> 01:23:30,960
modern contacts wow top-notch people man

2052
01:23:36,229 --> 01:23:33,920
just professionals again and

2053
01:23:37,510 --> 01:23:36,239
it's been nice to see that level of of

2054
01:23:40,310 --> 01:23:37,520
treatment to

2055
01:23:42,310 --> 01:23:40,320
atomic host right because there's always

2056
01:23:44,390 --> 01:23:42,320
like

2057
01:23:46,790 --> 01:23:44,400
an accepted level of production values

2058
01:23:48,790 --> 01:23:46,800
with ufos that i think is

2059
01:23:51,030 --> 01:23:48,800
you know really used to be

2060
01:23:53,270 --> 01:23:51,040
standing up and i remember talking to

2061
01:23:55,830 --> 01:23:53,280
you and saying that mike who when we

2062
01:23:57,270 --> 01:23:55,840
first met my two favorite movies or ones

2063
01:23:59,590 --> 01:23:57,280
that you did

2064
01:24:08,310 --> 01:23:59,600
and you said well i wish i did this and

2065
01:24:12,310 --> 01:24:09,910
this guy david west

2066
01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:12,320
who's like one of the best photographers

2067
01:24:15,590 --> 01:24:13,440
alive

2068
01:24:17,590 --> 01:24:15,600
he's so into what he does doing so good

2069
01:24:18,950 --> 01:24:17,600
at shooting b-roll the beautiful people

2070
01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:18,960
that he goes after

2071
01:24:21,990 --> 01:24:20,800
he gets he really

2072
01:24:23,990 --> 01:24:22,000
captures

2073
01:24:25,669 --> 01:24:24,000
an atmosphere you know like he would

2074
01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:25,679
think of shots we're interviewing

2075
01:24:29,430 --> 01:24:27,600
somebody he's shooting

2076
01:24:30,629 --> 01:24:29,440
the window outside the windows during

2077
01:24:32,470 --> 01:24:30,639
the interview he's got four or five

2078
01:24:34,310 --> 01:24:32,480
cameras rolling he's got time left over

2079
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:34,320
the building it's like the guy's just a

2080
01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:36,800
genius you know and he really cares

2081
01:24:40,390 --> 01:24:39,040
about what he does like he puts so much

2082
01:24:43,189 --> 01:24:40,400
thought and

2083
01:24:45,270 --> 01:24:43,199
cares as much as i care about

2084
01:24:47,510 --> 01:24:45,280
ufos and witnesses he cares the same

2085
01:24:49,430 --> 01:24:47,520
about photography the guys in the sound

2086
01:24:51,510 --> 01:24:49,440
the guys that are proposing music these

2087
01:24:53,750 --> 01:24:51,520
are professionals that really care and

2088
01:24:55,669 --> 01:24:53,760
now it's really exciting marco's got to

2089
01:24:58,070 --> 01:24:55,679
see like you're going to see from start

2090
01:24:59,669 --> 01:24:58,080
to finish from tuning to completion all

2091
01:25:01,270 --> 01:24:59,679
the way through yeah

2092
01:25:02,950 --> 01:25:01,280
i mean i haven't even done that this is

2093
01:25:04,870 --> 01:25:02,960
the first time i've done that with boris

2094
01:25:06,470 --> 01:25:04,880
endorsement i've done lots of it but he

2095
01:25:09,510 --> 01:25:06,480
always comes late

2096
01:25:17,990 --> 01:25:09,520
now of course from start to finish

2097
01:25:21,030 --> 01:25:19,669
yeah it's amazing

2098
01:25:22,709 --> 01:25:21,040
yeah

2099
01:25:25,830 --> 01:25:22,719
there's an echo

2100
01:25:27,830 --> 01:25:25,840
and i'm gonna try to fix that as as we

2101
01:25:29,990 --> 01:25:27,840
go along and i apologize that's

2102
01:25:31,830 --> 01:25:30,000
happening we did a sound check in the

2103
01:25:33,750 --> 01:25:31,840
beginning i'm not sure

2104
01:25:37,110 --> 01:25:33,760
uh what

2105
01:25:38,550 --> 01:25:37,120
well we went live like let's say 6 p.m

2106
01:25:41,510 --> 01:25:38,560
and it's getting

2107
01:25:43,590 --> 01:25:41,520
working like tailbone off all day um we

2108
01:25:45,780 --> 01:25:43,600
went live at 6 pm and you showed up at 5

2109
01:25:47,830 --> 01:25:45,790
58 so that's probably why we got an echo

2110
01:25:50,629 --> 01:25:47,840
[Laughter]

2111
01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:50,639
well i just removed two minutes

2112
01:25:55,669 --> 01:25:52,800
i just removed the other camera

2113
01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:55,679
so um i'm thinking was that was live

2114
01:25:58,550 --> 01:25:56,880
still

2115
01:26:00,229 --> 01:25:58,560
this one is a live stream this is not

2116
01:26:01,270 --> 01:26:00,239
the other one yeah so i just removed the

2117
01:26:04,390 --> 01:26:01,280
other camera

2118
01:26:05,910 --> 01:26:04,400
so um uh hopefully okay everyone's

2119
01:26:08,950 --> 01:26:05,920
saying it's way better

2120
01:26:10,629 --> 01:26:08,960
i'm really sorry everyone um i'm really

2121
01:26:12,790 --> 01:26:10,639
sorry everyone it it worked fine in the

2122
01:26:15,270 --> 01:26:12,800
beginning so it should be fine from now

2123
01:26:17,669 --> 01:26:15,280
on without that camera

2124
01:26:19,910 --> 01:26:17,679
can't believe it huh yeah these things

2125
01:26:21,590 --> 01:26:19,920
happen we did peter cavity at this very

2126
01:26:24,070 --> 01:26:21,600
table did you really just a couple weeks

2127
01:26:25,350 --> 01:26:24,080
ago yeah the computer was remote but we

2128
01:26:27,189 --> 01:26:25,360
had an echo too

2129
01:26:29,030 --> 01:26:27,199
we finally figured out what was after we

2130
01:26:30,709 --> 01:26:29,040
did everything we made we made it work

2131
01:26:32,629 --> 01:26:30,719
but we had a weird echo yeah we've got

2132
01:26:33,510 --> 01:26:32,639
one half hour left

2133
01:26:37,669 --> 01:26:33,520
so

2134
01:26:42,310 --> 01:26:40,070
i apologize everyone well i i wouldn't

2135
01:26:44,550 --> 01:26:42,320
mind if it's okay with you martin

2136
01:26:45,990 --> 01:26:44,560
um without revealing too much i'd like

2137
01:26:47,750 --> 01:26:46,000
to know

2138
01:26:49,590 --> 01:26:47,760
what it was like for you

2139
01:26:52,070 --> 01:26:49,600
to see moment of contact even though

2140
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:52,080
it's it's fairly rough

2141
01:26:54,870 --> 01:26:53,120
um

2142
01:26:56,790 --> 01:26:54,880
well condition i watched it with my

2143
01:26:57,990 --> 01:26:56,800
friend don in the other room what did

2144
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:58,000
you know about what did you know about

2145
01:27:04,470 --> 01:27:01,199
the case prior i i heard about the case

2146
01:27:06,550 --> 01:27:04,480
i would say i looked into it probably

2147
01:27:08,310 --> 01:27:06,560
six or seven years ago and i just

2148
01:27:10,229 --> 01:27:08,320
remember either i read something about

2149
01:27:11,590 --> 01:27:10,239
it and i remember the creature for some

2150
01:27:13,910 --> 01:27:11,600
reason i thought a creature was in a

2151
01:27:16,470 --> 01:27:13,920
tree i don't remember where i got mixed

2152
01:27:18,390 --> 01:27:16,480
up but but i just remembered that there

2153
01:27:19,990 --> 01:27:18,400
were girls that saw the creature

2154
01:27:21,990 --> 01:27:20,000
and all this and i thought wow what a

2155
01:27:23,990 --> 01:27:22,000
weird case that is

2156
01:27:25,189 --> 01:27:24,000
but i will tell you after watching the

2157
01:27:27,350 --> 01:27:25,199
movie

2158
01:27:28,470 --> 01:27:27,360
there's no doubt in my mind that

2159
01:27:30,950 --> 01:27:28,480
something

2160
01:27:33,830 --> 01:27:30,960
really happened there and i do and it's

2161
01:27:36,470 --> 01:27:33,840
funny i was i said this to you you may

2162
01:27:39,350 --> 01:27:36,480
think i was joking but i i felt sorry

2163
01:27:42,629 --> 01:27:39,360
for the creature because it seemed very

2164
01:27:44,790 --> 01:27:42,639
frail and very afraid i mean that's

2165
01:27:47,830 --> 01:27:44,800
that's kind of what was scared it was

2166
01:27:50,390 --> 01:27:47,840
scared like i'm still terrible i'm stuck

2167
01:27:52,470 --> 01:27:50,400
here yep you know i'm not going home

2168
01:27:54,310 --> 01:27:52,480
what's gonna happen to me i mean

2169
01:27:56,310 --> 01:27:54,320
of course i'm thinking in human terms

2170
01:27:58,310 --> 01:27:56,320
but who knows what it was thinking but

2171
01:28:00,390 --> 01:27:58,320
the thing was according to the girls

2172
01:28:01,270 --> 01:28:00,400
acting like it was afraid

2173
01:28:03,510 --> 01:28:01,280
and

2174
01:28:04,950 --> 01:28:03,520
um but i after listening to all the all

2175
01:28:06,149 --> 01:28:04,960
the witnesses

2176
01:28:08,070 --> 01:28:06,159
um

2177
01:28:10,070 --> 01:28:08,080
i have no doubt

2178
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:10,080
i don't have any doubt that that did

2179
01:28:15,590 --> 01:28:11,040
happen

2180
01:28:18,310 --> 01:28:15,600
but i mean everything follows along

2181
01:28:19,830 --> 01:28:18,320
that's the reason i asked you

2182
01:28:23,350 --> 01:28:19,840
what are the chances that these people

2183
01:28:24,149 --> 01:28:23,360
talked because their stories all line up

2184
01:28:25,910 --> 01:28:24,159
so

2185
01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:25,920
i thought it was great i thought it was

2186
01:28:32,229 --> 01:28:27,520
great and you know

2187
01:28:35,189 --> 01:28:32,239
one one uh aspect that i learned

2188
01:28:37,030 --> 01:28:35,199
kind of after that after the well

2189
01:28:38,470 --> 01:28:37,040
uh it's really funny actually because

2190
01:28:43,750 --> 01:28:38,480
when i was in

2191
01:28:44,550 --> 01:28:43,760
rua case for the phenomenon

2192
01:28:47,030 --> 01:28:44,560
um

2193
01:28:49,430 --> 01:28:47,040
dr john mack right sort of follow me on

2194
01:28:51,430 --> 01:28:49,440
the trail dr john mack

2195
01:28:53,430 --> 01:28:51,440
and all that archive footage and you

2196
01:28:54,229 --> 01:28:53,440
know your audience knows that story

2197
01:28:57,110 --> 01:28:54,239
well

2198
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:57,120
dr john mack was in virginia

2199
01:29:00,950 --> 01:29:00,000
and was it uber that shot back yeah

2200
01:29:01,830 --> 01:29:00,960
right

2201
01:29:03,990 --> 01:29:01,840
yeah

2202
01:29:07,430 --> 01:29:04,000
so so so john mack

2203
01:29:12,870 --> 01:29:08,390
weeks

2204
01:29:14,790 --> 01:29:12,880
after it happened not long wow fresh wow

2205
01:29:16,709 --> 01:29:14,800
and and there was something that was

2206
01:29:18,070 --> 01:29:16,719
revealed there and i it kind of put the

2207
01:29:18,950 --> 01:29:18,080
pieces together i just didn't have the

2208
01:29:20,709 --> 01:29:18,960
exact

2209
01:29:22,070 --> 01:29:20,719
the level of detail that was revealed

2210
01:29:25,430 --> 01:29:22,080
with dr john mack interview with the

2211
01:29:26,950 --> 01:29:25,440
girls and that is this

2212
01:29:28,629 --> 01:29:26,960
there was

2213
01:29:31,110 --> 01:29:28,639
liliani i think was leading the way she

2214
01:29:32,470 --> 01:29:31,120
was 16. i put yeah i'm wrong here

2215
01:29:34,310 --> 01:29:32,480
liliani

2216
01:29:39,030 --> 01:29:34,320
her sister

2217
01:29:41,030 --> 01:29:39,040
and then i believe katya yeah uh no

2218
01:29:43,510 --> 01:29:41,040
walking together oh yes they were

2219
01:29:46,390 --> 01:29:43,520
welcome when they had the encounter with

2220
01:29:47,750 --> 01:29:46,400
this being

2221
01:29:49,590 --> 01:29:47,760
liliani

2222
01:29:53,270 --> 01:29:49,600
according to the interview that i just

2223
01:29:55,430 --> 01:29:53,280
saw with dr john mack really on he grabs

2224
01:29:57,669 --> 01:29:55,440
the hand of her younger sister and yanks

2225
01:29:59,910 --> 01:29:57,679
her out of there and he's running away

2226
01:30:02,550 --> 01:29:59,920
from this thing freaked out

2227
01:30:04,870 --> 01:30:02,560
well katya they realized stayed back and

2228
01:30:06,550 --> 01:30:04,880
is frozen in her tracks yeah and just

2229
01:30:08,709 --> 01:30:06,560
staring at the eyes of this creature

2230
01:30:10,950 --> 01:30:08,719
from like 10 feet away yeah okay in

2231
01:30:13,510 --> 01:30:10,960
broad daylight

2232
01:30:15,830 --> 01:30:13,520
they liliani is like oh my god i gotta

2233
01:30:18,950 --> 01:30:15,840
go get katya liliani

2234
01:30:20,870 --> 01:30:18,960
runs back and grabs katy by the arm and

2235
01:30:24,149 --> 01:30:20,880
yanks her out of there like breaks that

2236
01:30:26,629 --> 01:30:24,159
trance yeah they have some bags there's

2237
01:30:28,070 --> 01:30:26,639
a bag and they left in the place

2238
01:30:30,870 --> 01:30:28,080
oh my god so

2239
01:30:32,870 --> 01:30:30,880
so this is revealed so

2240
01:30:34,790 --> 01:30:32,880
dr john mack is going

2241
01:30:36,149 --> 01:30:34,800
did you have any communication

2242
01:30:37,990 --> 01:30:36,159
did you feel anything when you made eye

2243
01:30:39,750 --> 01:30:38,000
contact with this creature and

2244
01:30:41,350 --> 01:30:39,760
apparently it was exactly that it's like

2245
01:30:42,870 --> 01:30:41,360
get me out of here

2246
01:30:44,709 --> 01:30:42,880
i'm scared

2247
01:30:46,550 --> 01:30:44,719
for my you know my well-being please

2248
01:30:50,870 --> 01:30:46,560
help me

2249
01:30:52,790 --> 01:30:50,880
i'm in and he felt like he was being

2250
01:30:54,310 --> 01:30:52,800
i mean like you you interpreted like he

2251
01:30:57,189 --> 01:30:54,320
felt like he was hiding from people that

2252
01:30:59,910 --> 01:30:57,199
wanted to do him harm yeah

2253
01:31:01,430 --> 01:30:59,920
crazy which did yeah and i it and you

2254
01:31:03,110 --> 01:31:01,440
know cockhead revealed a little that in

2255
01:31:04,550 --> 01:31:03,120
the interview with her she's you know

2256
01:31:06,629 --> 01:31:04,560
that she did have this communication

2257
01:31:08,149 --> 01:31:06,639
with the creature but that level of

2258
01:31:09,910 --> 01:31:08,159
detail where she was frozen in her

2259
01:31:11,910 --> 01:31:09,920
tracks the two other girls running away

2260
01:31:14,390 --> 01:31:11,920
and realized that they left her behind

2261
01:31:17,110 --> 01:31:14,400
liliani runs back grabs katya by the

2262
01:31:23,669 --> 01:31:20,390
amazing yeah amazing and you know the

2263
01:31:27,030 --> 01:31:23,679
uh psalm acidic from the ariel's nor

2264
01:31:28,070 --> 01:31:27,040
will yes i mean what she said to me

2265
01:31:29,430 --> 01:31:28,080
is that

2266
01:31:32,070 --> 01:31:29,440
one of the hardest things she ever did

2267
01:31:34,310 --> 01:31:32,080
in her life was to break the eye

2268
01:31:35,189 --> 01:31:34,320
eye contact with the being she was next

2269
01:31:39,430 --> 01:31:35,199
to

2270
01:31:41,350 --> 01:31:39,440
see if they were okay

2271
01:31:42,629 --> 01:31:41,360
and she said you know four feet away

2272
01:31:43,990 --> 01:31:42,639
from this thing

2273
01:31:45,910 --> 01:31:44,000
the hardest thing she could ever do is

2274
01:31:48,149 --> 01:31:45,920
turn away yeah i'm laughing because my

2275
01:31:50,950 --> 01:31:48,159
dog i hear the dog yeah do you want to

2276
01:31:54,709 --> 01:31:50,960
just go kick him in the face i'm kidding

2277
01:31:59,669 --> 01:31:57,110
how could you treat a dog like that

2278
01:32:02,390 --> 01:31:59,679
jesus he's just a little guy

2279
01:32:03,910 --> 01:32:02,400
he's still he's an adorable lady come on

2280
01:32:06,149 --> 01:32:03,920
you could bring him in here communicate

2281
01:32:07,430 --> 01:32:06,159
telepathically with him tell him to

2282
01:32:08,790 --> 01:32:07,440
there we go

2283
01:32:10,550 --> 01:32:08,800
sorry guys

2284
01:32:12,070 --> 01:32:10,560
there's a little feet maybe you can let

2285
01:32:13,750 --> 01:32:12,080
him outside maybe he might need to do

2286
01:32:15,830 --> 01:32:13,760
his business yeah

2287
01:32:17,750 --> 01:32:15,840
yeah thank you a little housekeeping

2288
01:32:19,270 --> 01:32:17,760
here behind the scenes i know i'm sorry

2289
01:32:21,270 --> 01:32:19,280
guys sorry for the interruption here no

2290
01:32:22,709 --> 01:32:21,280
but these things happen yeah i know we

2291
01:32:39,110 --> 01:32:22,719
really want to see can you pick the dog

2292
01:32:42,149 --> 01:32:40,310
actually like when things like this

2293
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:42,159
happen yeah yeah

2294
01:32:44,550 --> 01:32:42,970
okay

2295
01:32:47,669 --> 01:32:44,560
[Music]

2296
01:32:49,430 --> 01:32:47,679
so james um i remember

2297
01:32:50,950 --> 01:32:49,440
i thought i heard i don't know if you

2298
01:32:53,510 --> 01:32:50,960
said it yourself but i think someone

2299
01:32:55,430 --> 01:32:53,520
else speculated that you had tons and

2300
01:32:57,510 --> 01:32:55,440
tons of footage from when you were doing

2301
01:32:59,750 --> 01:32:57,520
the the phenomenon

2302
01:33:01,590 --> 01:32:59,760
and that you might do something with

2303
01:33:02,390 --> 01:33:01,600
that footage more with that footage is

2304
01:33:04,149 --> 01:33:02,400
that

2305
01:33:06,149 --> 01:33:04,159
is are you just moving forward and doing

2306
01:33:08,870 --> 01:33:06,159
other things or is that still a

2307
01:33:09,910 --> 01:33:08,880
possibility or was it ever a possibility

2308
01:33:12,390 --> 01:33:09,920
um

2309
01:33:15,030 --> 01:33:13,590
i was talking with someone about this

2310
01:33:17,590 --> 01:33:15,040
the other day

2311
01:33:19,590 --> 01:33:17,600
that at some point

2312
01:33:21,189 --> 01:33:19,600
excuse me i need to

2313
01:33:24,229 --> 01:33:21,199
make that footage available whether i

2314
01:33:25,990 --> 01:33:24,239
share with someone like david marlar

2315
01:33:28,550 --> 01:33:26,000
excuse me um

2316
01:33:32,070 --> 01:33:31,350
have a library that could be accessible

2317
01:33:33,990 --> 01:33:32,080
to

2318
01:33:36,870 --> 01:33:34,000
the world basically i think i'm sitting

2319
01:33:39,830 --> 01:33:36,880
on the biggest archive of material

2320
01:33:41,669 --> 01:33:39,840
anybody has i mean i must be

2321
01:33:44,149 --> 01:33:41,679
i mean think of all the content videos

2322
01:33:45,669 --> 01:33:44,159
video archives video archives and and a

2323
01:33:47,590 --> 01:33:45,679
lot of really good stuff and a lot of

2324
01:33:49,189 --> 01:33:47,600
the stuff i have is nobody else has

2325
01:33:51,910 --> 01:33:49,199
because the people are dead

2326
01:33:53,030 --> 01:33:51,920
yet i got so um to answer your question

2327
01:33:54,390 --> 01:33:53,040
i'm going to make it available to

2328
01:33:55,830 --> 01:33:54,400
everybody i just don't know exactly how

2329
01:33:57,430 --> 01:33:55,840
i'm going to go about doing that and

2330
01:33:59,110 --> 01:33:57,440
also

2331
01:34:00,390 --> 01:33:59,120
i'm going to continue shooting new

2332
01:34:02,790 --> 01:34:00,400
material

2333
01:34:04,870 --> 01:34:02,800
i feel like

2334
01:34:06,550 --> 01:34:04,880
i have to put the pressure on

2335
01:34:08,229 --> 01:34:06,560
more than ever before because we're at

2336
01:34:10,310 --> 01:34:08,239
that sort of tipping point yeah right

2337
01:34:11,910 --> 01:34:10,320
now feels like it yeah and then i don't

2338
01:34:15,510 --> 01:34:11,920
want to let up

2339
01:34:17,669 --> 01:34:15,520
narrow window

2340
01:34:19,270 --> 01:34:17,679
um that i can ride the coattails of the

2341
01:34:20,870 --> 01:34:19,280
success of the phenomenon not just

2342
01:34:23,510 --> 01:34:20,880
financially but

2343
01:34:26,629 --> 01:34:23,520
exposure-wise and having um

2344
01:34:29,510 --> 01:34:26,639
yes having access to people

2345
01:34:30,310 --> 01:34:29,520
and uh and so i want to uh that's why

2346
01:34:33,750 --> 01:34:30,320
i'm

2347
01:34:36,950 --> 01:34:33,760
in this barn is that i can i can produce

2348
01:34:37,990 --> 01:34:36,960
documentaries at a at a at a lightning

2349
01:34:41,109 --> 01:34:38,000
speed

2350
01:34:43,030 --> 01:34:41,119
uh self-contained not impact the family

2351
01:34:45,669 --> 01:34:43,040
um you know

2352
01:34:47,590 --> 01:34:45,679
uh and just crank some some some films

2353
01:34:49,669 --> 01:34:47,600
out in the coming years and really put

2354
01:34:51,350 --> 01:34:49,679
the pressure on the government

2355
01:34:53,910 --> 01:34:51,360
and and uh

2356
01:34:56,070 --> 01:34:53,920
that's that's that's what i'm gonna do

2357
01:34:58,070 --> 01:34:56,080
what are some of the other cases like on

2358
01:35:00,629 --> 01:34:58,080
your radar so to speak

2359
01:35:03,990 --> 01:35:00,639
you know you mentioned the one marco

2360
01:35:05,990 --> 01:35:04,000
talked about in the amazon yeah yeah

2361
01:35:08,790 --> 01:35:06,000
that's certainly on the radar right now

2362
01:35:12,790 --> 01:35:10,870
i i i think i'd like to go to washington

2363
01:35:14,390 --> 01:35:12,800
dc for a while

2364
01:35:15,510 --> 01:35:14,400
and start answering and ask some

2365
01:35:17,350 --> 01:35:15,520
questions

2366
01:35:19,510 --> 01:35:17,360
ah yeah

2367
01:35:21,350 --> 01:35:19,520
yeah interesting i think that's probably

2368
01:35:22,470 --> 01:35:21,360
going to be my next move and i'll do

2369
01:35:24,790 --> 01:35:22,480
that soon

2370
01:35:26,709 --> 01:35:24,800
wow yeah yeah and you're not you're in

2371
01:35:28,470 --> 01:35:26,719
proximity you're i am i could drive i

2372
01:35:30,390 --> 01:35:28,480
could drive there yeah eight hours yeah

2373
01:35:31,430 --> 01:35:30,400
no problem yeah and set up camp there

2374
01:35:32,870 --> 01:35:31,440
for a while

2375
01:35:34,470 --> 01:35:32,880
yeah but i'll i'll make some

2376
01:35:36,950 --> 01:35:34,480
arrangements ahead of time for it but

2377
01:35:39,350 --> 01:35:36,960
that's probably my next move

2378
01:35:40,229 --> 01:35:39,360
because uh i uncovered certain things we

2379
01:35:41,910 --> 01:35:40,239
did

2380
01:35:44,390 --> 01:35:41,920
we uncovered certain things in moment of

2381
01:35:45,350 --> 01:35:44,400
contact that lead us back to the united

2382
01:35:48,229 --> 01:35:45,360
states

2383
01:35:51,109 --> 01:35:48,239
evidence-wise so i'd like to as well as

2384
01:35:52,550 --> 01:35:51,119
other evidence stuff that i know exists

2385
01:35:54,149 --> 01:35:52,560
all right let's speaking on on this

2386
01:35:57,189 --> 01:35:54,159
particular topic

2387
01:35:59,030 --> 01:35:57,199
do you think that our

2388
01:36:01,590 --> 01:35:59,040
government or

2389
01:36:03,350 --> 01:36:01,600
segmented part of our government is

2390
01:36:05,350 --> 01:36:03,360
containing this and

2391
01:36:08,390 --> 01:36:05,360
one this type of information they've

2392
01:36:11,350 --> 01:36:08,400
been gathering in one specific area and

2393
01:36:13,350 --> 01:36:11,360
if so how's it generational in other

2394
01:36:15,669 --> 01:36:13,360
words we're going way back

2395
01:36:17,830 --> 01:36:15,679
um do you think that's a possibility or

2396
01:36:20,229 --> 01:36:17,840
do you think it's in the private sector

2397
01:36:21,510 --> 01:36:20,239
pushed into the private sector somehow

2398
01:36:22,870 --> 01:36:21,520
well i mean it would be free from

2399
01:36:24,950 --> 01:36:22,880
oversight if it wasn't the private

2400
01:36:27,350 --> 01:36:24,960
sector so that would make sense yeah but

2401
01:36:29,030 --> 01:36:27,360
i don't know yeah

2402
01:36:31,590 --> 01:36:29,040
yeah but i mean you think you think of

2403
01:36:33,750 --> 01:36:31,600
like the big sur you're the missile you

2404
01:36:35,669 --> 01:36:33,760
know yeah that that thing whenever that

2405
01:36:38,390 --> 01:36:35,679
happened way back then and all these

2406
01:36:40,950 --> 01:36:38,400
things and and uh um

2407
01:36:42,709 --> 01:36:40,960
you talked to gordon cooper's film

2408
01:36:44,950 --> 01:36:42,719
you think of all these things that have

2409
01:36:45,830 --> 01:36:44,960
in the bricks off of the data bricks off

2410
01:36:48,629 --> 01:36:45,840
of the

2411
01:36:51,990 --> 01:36:48,639
princeton yeah oh my god all the stuff

2412
01:36:53,430 --> 01:36:52,000
is going somewhere yeah and um would you

2413
01:36:55,350 --> 01:36:53,440
speculate again i'm asking for

2414
01:36:58,070 --> 01:36:55,360
speculation that it's going to the same

2415
01:37:00,709 --> 01:36:58,080
place or do you think that's it's

2416
01:37:02,790 --> 01:37:00,719
divvied up or something

2417
01:37:05,990 --> 01:37:02,800
i just don't know yeah

2418
01:37:07,109 --> 01:37:06,000
i wish i did now yeah but i i did you

2419
01:37:11,109 --> 01:37:07,119
know

2420
01:37:15,910 --> 01:37:14,310
when i was doing uh 2008 2009 i was

2421
01:37:17,109 --> 01:37:15,920
doing i know what i saw

2422
01:37:18,830 --> 01:37:17,119
yeah

2423
01:37:21,750 --> 01:37:18,840
and i was

2424
01:37:23,910 --> 01:37:21,760
broke to the point where you're so

2425
01:37:26,229 --> 01:37:23,920
you know you ever been so broke you

2426
01:37:29,430 --> 01:37:26,239
can't barely afford to pay attention

2427
01:37:30,790 --> 01:37:29,440
i was like right there right and my

2428
01:37:32,709 --> 01:37:30,800
my uh

2429
01:37:34,310 --> 01:37:32,719
my supporters that you know because you

2430
01:37:35,430 --> 01:37:34,320
get financial support some people have a

2431
01:37:36,790 --> 01:37:35,440
lot of money some people have little

2432
01:37:38,470 --> 01:37:36,800
money they you know they support you and

2433
01:37:39,270 --> 01:37:38,480
then it just drags on and they're like

2434
01:37:41,030 --> 01:37:39,280
yeah

2435
01:37:42,629 --> 01:37:41,040
we're done here like i'm not gonna keep

2436
01:37:45,109 --> 01:37:42,639
you keep saying you know

2437
01:37:47,590 --> 01:37:45,119
and uh and i was at that point with the

2438
01:37:49,430 --> 01:37:47,600
i know what i saw and so i was doing

2439
01:37:50,790 --> 01:37:49,440
uh some production work on the side in

2440
01:37:53,109 --> 01:37:50,800
san diego

2441
01:37:55,270 --> 01:37:53,119
and i worked this woman wanted to hire

2442
01:37:56,790 --> 01:37:55,280
me to do a documentation of her

2443
01:37:58,390 --> 01:37:56,800
husband's life he was about i think he

2444
01:38:01,189 --> 01:37:58,400
was turning 90

2445
01:38:03,109 --> 01:38:01,199
80 or 90. and um

2446
01:38:05,590 --> 01:38:03,119
so i agreed to do it i got all this life

2447
01:38:06,470 --> 01:38:05,600
span of stuff from the 20s all the way

2448
01:38:08,629 --> 01:38:06,480
you know

2449
01:38:10,470 --> 01:38:08,639
and uh she says that was very

2450
01:38:11,510 --> 01:38:10,480
interesting so james what do you do when

2451
01:38:12,950 --> 01:38:11,520
you're not

2452
01:38:15,189 --> 01:38:12,960
working on you know

2453
01:38:16,629 --> 01:38:15,199
and i was like oh boy here we go

2454
01:38:19,510 --> 01:38:16,639
so i told her

2455
01:38:21,510 --> 01:38:19,520
she goes oh my gosh that's fascinating

2456
01:38:24,070 --> 01:38:21,520
you know can i share something with you

2457
01:38:26,470 --> 01:38:24,080
i love that one and i said yeah her name

2458
01:38:29,510 --> 01:38:26,480
will come to me in a minute

2459
01:38:31,510 --> 01:38:29,520
secret it'll come to me in any case

2460
01:38:33,669 --> 01:38:31,520
she said

2461
01:38:35,350 --> 01:38:33,679
when i was in college

2462
01:38:38,870 --> 01:38:35,360
back and i think she said it was the 50s

2463
01:38:42,550 --> 01:38:40,550
she said my

2464
01:38:44,790 --> 01:38:42,560
uh there was a there was a

2465
01:38:46,629 --> 01:38:44,800
a guy either it was across the dorm from

2466
01:38:47,430 --> 01:38:46,639
her but it was

2467
01:38:50,550 --> 01:38:47,440
uh

2468
01:38:52,790 --> 01:38:50,560
general nathan twentynine's son ah

2469
01:38:54,950 --> 01:38:52,800
wow that's what she told me okay yeah

2470
01:38:56,390 --> 01:38:54,960
she said that he came having drinks with

2471
01:38:59,109 --> 01:38:56,400
her and a roommate one night in their

2472
01:39:00,870 --> 01:38:59,119
dorm room she knew the guy was still

2473
01:39:02,470 --> 01:39:00,880
alive

2474
01:39:04,390 --> 01:39:02,480
she tried to she tried to track him down

2475
01:39:05,910 --> 01:39:04,400
for me but anyway she came over and he

2476
01:39:07,430 --> 01:39:05,920
said to her

2477
01:39:08,229 --> 01:39:07,440
and her roommate

2478
01:39:09,350 --> 01:39:08,239
that

2479
01:39:11,030 --> 01:39:09,360
he was

2480
01:39:12,870 --> 01:39:11,040
taken his dad took him on a tour

2481
01:39:14,790 --> 01:39:12,880
underground of the pentagon and that

2482
01:39:16,709 --> 01:39:14,800
they had a room filled with photographic

2483
01:39:18,950 --> 01:39:16,719
evidence of ufos

2484
01:39:21,350 --> 01:39:18,960
and he told her this back in the late

2485
01:39:24,070 --> 01:39:21,360
50s or the early 60s and that he had

2486
01:39:26,229 --> 01:39:24,080
personally seen it through his father

2487
01:39:29,910 --> 01:39:26,239
wow she's like i've been holding on to

2488
01:39:32,149 --> 01:39:29,920
that story for 50 years wow

2489
01:39:36,070 --> 01:39:32,159
nathan nathan twining memories that

2490
01:39:38,470 --> 01:39:36,080
looked at twining's son yeah

2491
01:39:41,270 --> 01:39:38,480
i'm 99.9 percent sure it was nathan

2492
01:39:42,790 --> 01:39:41,280
dwine's son yeah because i remember i

2493
01:39:44,709 --> 01:39:42,800
remember thinking like oh yeah he would

2494
01:39:47,590 --> 01:39:44,719
definitely position to know but anyway

2495
01:39:49,590 --> 01:39:47,600
yeah so she's he i mean why would he

2496
01:39:51,189 --> 01:39:49,600
you know having a few drinks trying

2497
01:39:52,709 --> 01:39:51,199
impressing the girls but and they

2498
01:39:53,750 --> 01:39:52,719
weren't interested in ufos they didn't

2499
01:39:55,270 --> 01:39:53,760
even ask him about that why would he

2500
01:39:57,669 --> 01:39:55,280
bring he volunteered that information

2501
01:40:00,070 --> 01:39:57,679
that there was a there was a repository

2502
01:40:01,990 --> 01:40:00,080
but underground he said underground to

2503
01:40:04,790 --> 01:40:02,000
her yeah that's what she told me it was

2504
01:40:05,910 --> 01:40:04,800
underground and hidden down below in the

2505
01:40:08,390 --> 01:40:05,920
pentagon

2506
01:40:09,910 --> 01:40:08,400
and it was filled with evidence of ufos

2507
01:40:10,950 --> 01:40:09,920
so they didn't say anything about bodies

2508
01:40:15,030 --> 01:40:10,960
or

2509
01:40:17,510 --> 01:40:15,040
she didn't tell me that part she said

2510
01:40:20,629 --> 01:40:17,520
photographic and stuff like that yeah

2511
01:40:22,070 --> 01:40:20,639
um so if this if that would be the case

2512
01:40:23,990 --> 01:40:22,080
wouldn't you think that could be

2513
01:40:24,790 --> 01:40:24,000
investigated by the

2514
01:40:29,750 --> 01:40:24,800
the

2515
01:40:31,669 --> 01:40:29,760
you know i mean

2516
01:40:33,350 --> 01:40:31,679
one of the things i heard about that is

2517
01:40:36,310 --> 01:40:33,360
they didn't want to look into anything

2518
01:40:38,550 --> 01:40:36,320
before 2004 or something like that

2519
01:40:39,990 --> 01:40:38,560
because of the data not being

2520
01:40:42,390 --> 01:40:40,000
specifically

2521
01:40:43,750 --> 01:40:42,400
you know uh high-end

2522
01:40:44,870 --> 01:40:43,760
what was the name of that guy that wrote

2523
01:40:46,629 --> 01:40:44,880
a book

2524
01:40:48,950 --> 01:40:46,639
recently

2525
01:40:51,910 --> 01:40:48,960
his name i went on larry king live no i

2526
01:40:54,149 --> 01:40:51,920
went on larry king now with him

2527
01:40:56,149 --> 01:40:54,159
and he was based in washington dc and in

2528
01:40:59,750 --> 01:40:56,159
his book he talks about his book was not

2529
01:41:01,350 --> 01:40:59,760
about ufos oh brandon chase yes brandon

2530
01:41:03,430 --> 01:41:01,360
chase brandon chase that was kind of a

2531
01:41:05,750 --> 01:41:03,440
bizarre story whether it was true or not

2532
01:41:07,750 --> 01:41:05,760
i think it was true i talked to him

2533
01:41:09,590 --> 01:41:07,760
i went on larry king now with him you

2534
01:41:10,629 --> 01:41:09,600
did yes i did yeah and i talked to him

2535
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:10,639
about it he said

2536
01:41:15,109 --> 01:41:12,239
i wasn't but that was in the pentagon as

2537
01:41:17,669 --> 01:41:15,119
well and he opened up a box and he found

2538
01:41:19,669 --> 01:41:17,679
he said he found evidence on roswell and

2539
01:41:20,629 --> 01:41:19,679
i said okay well what did you see he

2540
01:41:23,270 --> 01:41:20,639
goes

2541
01:41:24,629 --> 01:41:23,280
100 confirmation that happened

2542
01:41:26,070 --> 01:41:24,639
and he wrote in his book he just

2543
01:41:27,270 --> 01:41:26,080
mentioned it in his book of course

2544
01:41:29,030 --> 01:41:27,280
nobody wanted to know about anything

2545
01:41:30,950 --> 01:41:29,040
else other than that

2546
01:41:32,790 --> 01:41:30,960
of what he mentioned in his book so you

2547
01:41:34,310 --> 01:41:32,800
talked to him personally oh yeah you met

2548
01:41:35,910 --> 01:41:34,320
him and talked to him

2549
01:41:37,510 --> 01:41:35,920
talked about the phone oh i see and i

2550
01:41:40,470 --> 01:41:37,520
wanted and i said hey let's get together

2551
01:41:42,790 --> 01:41:40,480
for a beer in in dc

2552
01:41:44,709 --> 01:41:42,800
you know after we did the show together

2553
01:41:46,790 --> 01:41:44,719
he goes oh yeah that'd be great so like

2554
01:41:48,709 --> 01:41:46,800
i don't know eight months later i was in

2555
01:41:50,790 --> 01:41:48,719
dc

2556
01:41:51,910 --> 01:41:50,800
wouldn't call me back hmm let's get

2557
01:41:53,030 --> 01:41:51,920
let's get together for that beer we

2558
01:41:53,990 --> 01:41:53,040
talked about i wanted to know what he

2559
01:41:55,830 --> 01:41:54,000
saw

2560
01:41:57,350 --> 01:41:55,840
but i mean i i thought it was kind of

2561
01:41:59,510 --> 01:41:57,360
don't you think it's kind of rare that a

2562
01:42:01,030 --> 01:41:59,520
box would be marked raw as well

2563
01:42:03,189 --> 01:42:01,040
i don't know instead of cases i don't

2564
01:42:04,310 --> 01:42:03,199
know if it was marked roswell oh i see i

2565
01:42:06,229 --> 01:42:04,320
just said he was digging through some

2566
01:42:08,229 --> 01:42:06,239
stuff and he came upon

2567
01:42:09,830 --> 01:42:08,239
a box that had photographic evidence i

2568
01:42:11,669 --> 01:42:09,840
said well what do you see he goes he

2569
01:42:15,270 --> 01:42:11,679
goes definitive evidence that it happens

2570
01:42:17,270 --> 01:42:15,280
which basically is what he said yeah and

2571
01:42:19,030 --> 01:42:17,280
the guy didn't seem like he was lying

2572
01:42:21,510 --> 01:42:19,040
yeah he really didn't

2573
01:42:23,669 --> 01:42:21,520
yeah he wasn't out there selling that

2574
01:42:24,709 --> 01:42:23,679
it was just one little footnote in his

2575
01:42:25,990 --> 01:42:24,719
book

2576
01:42:27,510 --> 01:42:26,000
i don't know man

2577
01:42:29,430 --> 01:42:27,520
but you would think that that would be

2578
01:42:32,470 --> 01:42:29,440
part of an investigation if they

2579
01:42:34,790 --> 01:42:32,480
actually have this information

2580
01:42:37,189 --> 01:42:34,800
or do you think that

2581
01:42:38,709 --> 01:42:37,199
they're not making it accessible to

2582
01:42:40,790 --> 01:42:38,719
anyone well clearly they're not making

2583
01:42:42,229 --> 01:42:40,800
it accessible to anyone i mean even in

2584
01:42:43,669 --> 01:42:42,239
the government is what i mean well well

2585
01:42:44,790 --> 01:42:43,679
yeah and they do i mean you know we

2586
01:42:45,910 --> 01:42:44,800
talked about

2587
01:42:48,390 --> 01:42:45,920
uh

2588
01:42:51,030 --> 01:42:48,400
the the clinton administration's efforts

2589
01:42:53,669 --> 01:42:51,040
to go after roswell

2590
01:42:54,950 --> 01:42:53,679
and they did not like the answers they

2591
01:42:56,790 --> 01:42:54,960
were getting

2592
01:42:57,669 --> 01:42:56,800
they were not happy with the answers

2593
01:42:59,590 --> 01:42:57,679
they were getting they were getting the

2594
01:43:00,629 --> 01:42:59,600
run around steven schiff talked about

2595
01:43:02,070 --> 01:43:00,639
that

2596
01:43:03,750 --> 01:43:02,080
you know the clinton administration

2597
01:43:05,189 --> 01:43:03,760
people talked about it jimmy carter

2598
01:43:10,470 --> 01:43:05,199
talked about that

2599
01:43:12,470 --> 01:43:10,480
you know when i talked to christopher uh

2600
01:43:13,990 --> 01:43:12,480
chris mellon about this

2601
01:43:15,510 --> 01:43:14,000
he said that

2602
01:43:17,030 --> 01:43:15,520
um

2603
01:43:21,109 --> 01:43:17,040
if a president

2604
01:43:23,270 --> 01:43:21,119
ask i want to know about aliens or

2605
01:43:24,870 --> 01:43:23,280
whatever that they would give him all

2606
01:43:26,629 --> 01:43:24,880
the information

2607
01:43:28,390 --> 01:43:26,639
that they had

2608
01:43:30,629 --> 01:43:28,400
that's what he he claimed you know when

2609
01:43:32,390 --> 01:43:30,639
i talked to him in two well funny

2610
01:43:33,990 --> 01:43:32,400
actually because one of the things that

2611
01:43:36,070 --> 01:43:34,000
mr mellon and i

2612
01:43:37,830 --> 01:43:36,080
uh came to the realization of during the

2613
01:43:39,590 --> 01:43:37,840
making of the phenomenon when i met with

2614
01:43:40,709 --> 01:43:39,600
them is that i was interviewing in the

2615
01:43:43,350 --> 01:43:40,719
90s

2616
01:43:46,070 --> 01:43:43,360
uh gordon cooper about that landing case

2617
01:43:47,189 --> 01:43:46,080
in edwards air force base circa 1957

2618
01:43:48,950 --> 01:43:47,199
right

2619
01:43:50,790 --> 01:43:48,960
and that film footage that was handed

2620
01:43:52,790 --> 01:43:50,800
over well

2621
01:43:54,550 --> 01:43:52,800
paralleling that time

2622
01:43:55,830 --> 01:43:54,560
my interviews with cooper cooper went to

2623
01:43:57,510 --> 01:43:55,840
the white house

2624
01:43:58,550 --> 01:43:57,520
and i guess shared that with with the

2625
01:44:00,550 --> 01:43:58,560
president

2626
01:44:03,030 --> 01:44:00,560
shared that with his people

2627
01:44:04,790 --> 01:44:03,040
and so christopher mellon was tasked

2628
01:44:06,629 --> 01:44:04,800
with going after that footage that

2629
01:44:07,990 --> 01:44:06,639
landing footage really yeah he talks

2630
01:44:10,070 --> 01:44:08,000
about it a little bit in the phenomenon

2631
01:44:11,669 --> 01:44:10,080
yeah he went after it and they said oh

2632
01:44:13,109 --> 01:44:11,679
yeah we just the air force finally said

2633
01:44:14,790 --> 01:44:13,119
oh yeah we destroyed all that evidence

2634
01:44:16,470 --> 01:44:14,800
we had to make space for news it was

2635
01:44:17,990 --> 01:44:16,480
like oh yeah

2636
01:44:19,350 --> 01:44:18,000
you know so it's interesting that

2637
01:44:22,629 --> 01:44:19,360
christopher miller was going after that

2638
01:44:24,310 --> 01:44:22,639
specific footage yeah uh in in when he

2639
01:44:25,990 --> 01:44:24,320
was in you know in somewhat of an

2640
01:44:29,109 --> 01:44:26,000
official capacity i'd imagine because he

2641
01:44:30,550 --> 01:44:29,119
was he was working

2642
01:44:32,149 --> 01:44:30,560
deputy assistant secretary of defense

2643
01:44:34,229 --> 01:44:32,159
for intelligence at the time i guess it

2644
01:44:36,629 --> 01:44:34,239
was like the late 90s or something yeah

2645
01:44:40,149 --> 01:44:36,639
yeah yeah all interesting we have about

2646
01:44:42,390 --> 01:44:40,159
four minutes left and so i asked at one

2647
01:44:44,390 --> 01:44:42,400
point i said and you said you sort of

2648
01:44:46,229 --> 01:44:44,400
have an idea what's going on with your

2649
01:44:48,950 --> 01:44:46,239
with this film

2650
01:44:51,990 --> 01:44:48,960
uh a moment of contact yes um we're

2651
01:44:54,790 --> 01:44:52,000
going to la next week yeah

2652
01:44:56,149 --> 01:44:54,800
finalizing the sound mix

2653
01:44:58,550 --> 01:44:56,159
uh

2654
01:45:00,470 --> 01:44:58,560
the music is is going to be done at that

2655
01:45:02,709 --> 01:45:00,480
same time and then we turn the film in

2656
01:45:04,790 --> 01:45:02,719
and it's ready to be broadcast but it

2657
01:45:06,870 --> 01:45:04,800
rolls out so we'll probably deliver the

2658
01:45:09,030 --> 01:45:06,880
film complete

2659
01:45:11,350 --> 01:45:09,040
at the end of may

2660
01:45:13,669 --> 01:45:11,360
really that's soon oh yeah oh wow yeah

2661
01:45:15,030 --> 01:45:13,679
in a few weeks yeah the film's done i

2662
01:45:15,830 --> 01:45:15,040
mean you know

2663
01:45:17,430 --> 01:45:15,840
like

2664
01:45:19,990 --> 01:45:17,440
spelling corrections and things of that

2665
01:45:21,830 --> 01:45:20,000
sort of commas and yeah punctuation and

2666
01:45:23,189 --> 01:45:21,840
that sort of thing yeah um that we're

2667
01:45:25,030 --> 01:45:23,199
i've got a couple of copy editors

2668
01:45:27,189 --> 01:45:25,040
working on it as we speak because i'm

2669
01:45:29,750 --> 01:45:27,199
terrible at that so is boris

2670
01:45:33,669 --> 01:45:29,760
um and and then we turn it in probably

2671
01:45:36,149 --> 01:45:33,679
end of may early june and then uh 10 91

2672
01:45:38,229 --> 01:45:36,159
we'll set the release date the trailers

2673
01:45:39,910 --> 01:45:38,239
being made as we speak

2674
01:45:41,189 --> 01:45:39,920
to jones in hollywood we're going to go

2675
01:45:43,510 --> 01:45:41,199
see that too

2676
01:45:45,030 --> 01:45:43,520
uh those announcements will be made

2677
01:45:46,870 --> 01:45:45,040
probably

2678
01:45:48,709 --> 01:45:46,880
early to mid-june

2679
01:45:51,030 --> 01:45:48,719
great and that'll be uh and then the

2680
01:45:52,870 --> 01:45:51,040
trailer will be released at that time

2681
01:45:55,270 --> 01:45:52,880
and then the film will come out usually

2682
01:45:57,430 --> 01:45:55,280
it takes two to three months prep to

2683
01:45:59,030 --> 01:45:57,440
roll it out yeah

2684
01:46:01,430 --> 01:45:59,040
excellent well i'm definitely going to

2685
01:46:03,669 --> 01:46:01,440
let people know on this show

2686
01:46:05,030 --> 01:46:03,679
so and i'll have that up on the web

2687
01:46:06,709 --> 01:46:05,040
website and everything yeah you know we

2688
01:46:08,629 --> 01:46:06,719
can we can do a quick

2689
01:46:10,790 --> 01:46:08,639
follow-up thing when it's ready yeah you

2690
01:46:12,870 --> 01:46:10,800
know just to update your your audience

2691
01:46:14,870 --> 01:46:12,880
yeah that sounds good but as as lou

2692
01:46:17,430 --> 01:46:14,880
elizondo said

2693
01:46:18,709 --> 01:46:17,440
brace yourself yeah where's my phone i

2694
01:46:20,310 --> 01:46:18,719
want to play that can i play that real

2695
01:46:22,229 --> 01:46:20,320
quick do we have enough time you gotta

2696
01:46:23,910 --> 01:46:22,239
hear this oh yeah we gotta hear this

2697
01:46:26,310 --> 01:46:23,920
great yeah no this is lou elizona

2698
01:46:27,910 --> 01:46:26,320
responding to the film and you can solve

2699
01:46:30,470 --> 01:46:27,920
it right up here to the microphone i'll

2700
01:46:32,870 --> 01:46:30,480
do that i'll do that i'll do that

2701
01:46:34,390 --> 01:46:32,880
let me turn this on how long marco how

2702
01:46:36,149 --> 01:46:34,400
long have you been here in the united

2703
01:46:40,390 --> 01:46:36,159
states um

2704
01:46:43,590 --> 01:46:40,400
for for this time since october wow yeah

2705
01:46:44,950 --> 01:46:43,600
so wow it's been six months so what do

2706
01:46:47,109 --> 01:46:44,960
you think of winter

2707
01:46:48,470 --> 01:46:47,119
oh it's very cold

2708
01:46:50,629 --> 01:46:48,480
oh my god yeah i bet you weren't ready

2709
01:46:53,510 --> 01:46:50,639
for that yeah yes all right oh he

2710
01:46:55,590 --> 01:46:53,520
handled like a champ yeah he was great

2711
01:46:56,790 --> 01:46:55,600
here we go well this is lou elizondo

2712
01:46:58,550 --> 01:46:56,800
commenting

2713
01:47:00,629 --> 01:46:58,560
on a podcast just a couple days last

2714
01:47:02,070 --> 01:47:00,639
week or something

2715
01:47:05,990 --> 01:47:02,080
oh

2716
01:47:35,030 --> 01:47:06,000
speakers here we go

2717
01:47:39,750 --> 01:47:37,510
time in a certain country uh

2718
01:47:41,830 --> 01:47:39,760
collecting data very propelling data

2719
01:47:43,669 --> 01:47:41,840
eyewitness testimony military

2720
01:47:46,229 --> 01:47:43,679
intelligence what not

2721
01:47:48,149 --> 01:47:46,239
um excellent

2722
01:47:49,910 --> 01:47:48,159
wait till that comes out

2723
01:47:51,510 --> 01:47:49,920
excellent that's great we are totally

2724
01:47:52,709 --> 01:47:51,520
out of time thank you so much thanks for

2725
01:47:53,990 --> 01:47:52,719
having me thank you both i really

2726
01:47:55,510 --> 01:47:54,000
appreciate it

2727
01:47:57,030 --> 01:47:55,520
all right so much and i gotta switch

2728
01:47:58,390 --> 01:47:57,040
over here since i only have one camera i

2729
01:47:59,990 --> 01:47:58,400
don't know how it's gonna happen but

2730
01:48:02,149 --> 01:48:00,000
thank you everyone and we'll be back

2731
01:48:04,610 --> 01:48:02,159
next week with preston dennett and

2732
01:48:15,640 --> 01:48:04,620
remember to keep your eyes to the sky